We BREXIT this month (hopefully) ?

I'd agree that it's a particularly english form of self-harm.

A small majority based on lies, hypocrisy and deception.
The smugness comes in when brexiters are quite happy to drag with them the millions who don't want to be dragged.

I know that this most certainly does not include the millions of English who voted to remain.

hooray urmston

I like the analogy this morning in the Graun. It’s crunch time - a Marmite Brexit or a vanilla Brexit.

The journo goes on to say:
‘We can resist smug talk from the rest of Europe about this chaos. Britain is the only EU country that has had the guts to ask – and obey – its people on EU withdrawal, and then to conduct a raging debate as to what it really means. It may seem a peculiarly British form of self-harm, but meaningful democracy is often painful. Looking back, I would rather have Britain’s 1832 – and 2016 – than France’s 1792 or Germany’s 1933. Sooner or later, the EU’s “ever closer union” was bound to lead to a crisis with Britain, as it will soon with other countries. Europe should get used to it.’

Makes me feel quite proud to be British actually! especially as this article isn’t from the Telegraph, Mail or Express!
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Good morning everyone.
20 days.
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an orderly exit onto WTO

and hey ho, a great new future and great times ahead

It was pointed out at the beginning that this was an impossible task- this was dismissed as “project fear” or “we’ve had enough of experts”. So instead of experts we have May, who is the archetype of just about able middle management bean counters who has surrounded herself with barely competent ministers who lurch from one gaffe to another, but can’t be removed since the ability level of the current crop of her MPs is so low. With something as complex as Brexit we need the finest minds- but it’s been one long cringeworthy stumble in the dark. Even May has started to call it a crisis. To say that “no one could have done it better” is admitting the low level of ability in our esteemed rulers. Its all been an expensive exercise in national humiliation , and May has been left continuing polishing that turd.

I don't like the woman or her party, but she has worked tirelessly. Lyndiloo who do you think could have any done better? People like DD full of bluster about how it would be the easiest negotiation ever conducted? Only a fool would make such a fatuous claim. As soon as it's done and dusted she'll be disposed of.

It's an impossible task and someone should have said at the outset that it couldn't be done without tremendous harm.

Before anyone corrects me! Above should read - their aim

But will our esteemed rulers do that? Deregulation is there aim surely?

I am incensed that Teresa May said today that if Parliament doesn't vote for her deal, we might have to remain in EU! Threatening scare-mongering!

We voted to Leave! Do your bloody job!

lots of future growth and fun for the uk outside eu

fabulous out we go

I'm assuming that your 'sensible government' will not be a tory one, then, Joelsnan?

Another little snippet of good news.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1097489/brexit-news-art-sales-UK-china-US-eu-european-union

Labiak/Jura2
I think a general election will follow shortly, however at this point its a puzzle to know if there if there are even a handful of current politicians within parliament at the moment that are fit to run the country. Far too may career politicians not enough grass roots representatives.

the understatement of the year Labaik - struuuuf

But we haven't got a 'sensible' government, have we? Gove, Johnson, Grayling.....

MaizieD
As i mentioned earlier any government post Brexit will be reliant on the workforce to build and sustain a growing economy.
No 'sensible' government would further strip employee rights. Indeed Brexit provides the ideal opportunity to re-instate lost ground or seek more favourable terms whilst being wary not to confound productivity.

^ However, as part of the EU, look what we have now zero hours and gig contracts of employment, employees classified as being below the poverty line, an absolute disgrace^

Absolutely, Joelsnan. Because our heroic unions had their ability to act severely curtailed and because post Thatcher there is such an antipathy to 'unions' that it's hard for them to act effectively. But don't you for one moment think that the 'leaders' of the anti-EU campaigns have any intention of improving workers conditions in the UK. They're mostly looking forward to dismantling the Welfare state and removing as many of those 'workers' rights' as they possibly can. Ironically, those rights that you are so proud that the UK achieved as a member of the EU.

Unless, of course, we get a Labour government some time soon. Which I'm not sure will happen.

Just like the year 2000 everyone panicked as the government said time would be out of sync and everything would crash. What a load of hog wash.!

The Y2000 problems were avoided as hundreds of IT staff and thousands of pounds were employed, several years beforehand, in rectifying the problem. As a great many very annoyed IT people will tell you, moggie. They are sick to death of people saying it was all doom mongering because nothing happened. They worked very hard to make sure that nothing happened.

Unfortunately, the sh*t that is going to hit the UK after Brexit (and even more so if we crash out with no deal) can't be avoided by employing some IT experts.

... by law andy, which Law pray tell.

Our own Sovereing British Law is very very clear- and Referendum is and can only ever be, advisory and non-binding.

noooooo excitable puppies are very funny and wonderful - this is just meh

It's a bit like having a very excitable puppy running around your feet! Apologies joelsnan I did read your post wrongly.

yooohoo urmston you are fab and make such factual posts,, a hug

oooh brexit can not be stopped .It is in law

celebrates here..........

great news

we will come out totally by law..

very excited