We BREXIT this month (hopefully) ?

Go on varian, loosen your stays and dance!

Brilliant news Cherrytree just what we needed to hear on a Sunday night and only 19 days till we leave the E.U.

Take a recommend ??

How wonderful for your GD varian
I’d give you a recommend if your good news were Brexit related!
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It’s never too early to sing La Cucharacha if you enjoy it
Alima ? ??

Varian maybe nothing to do with Brexit, But they got the contract dispite the Brexit Turmoil.
So no lack of confidence in a the Britsh manufacturing company.

I have previously on this thread said well done and congratulated your granddaughter.?

So no lack of confidence in a the Britsh manufacturing company.

Nobody has aid anything about lacking confidence in British manufacturing companies. I'm delighted that Triumph has won a contract to make parts for parts for Honda.

But it really has nothing to do with Brexit. The difficulties will come for Honda if they find that tariffs are whopped on to bikes they export to the EU and countries which have trade deals with the EU which we will no longer be able to benefit from.

I'm not sure what you mean MaizieD
Honda has lost the contract.

Triumph has won the 3 year contract to make the engines for all the MotoGp2 motorbikes.

MotoGp is to Motorbikes
What Formula one is to cars.

Amazing how ‘bad’ news has everything to do with Brexit, but good news has nothing to do with it

Varian
Your right there. Your news has diddly squat to do with Brexit.
You chose to ignore the fact that a 'small' british company ( but still one of the best in the world) has beaten the giant that is Honda.
You have no pride in some of our wonderful innovative british companies but 17+ million people do.

I wonder if some are celebrating too soon Fingers crossed

I suppose we might be Bluebelle but at least we will feel optimistic in the meantime!

Apologies, Cherrytree. I read your post the wrong way round.

Still pleased for Triumph.

But it still has nothing to do with Brexit.

Petra, please accept that pride in wonderful innovative British companies is not exclusive to those wishing to leave the EU.

As for the wonderfully inventive Mr Dyson, such a staunch advocate of Brexit...words fail me; or rather I cannot use the words I would like to use about him and his ilk.

I think we may all have to begin to use the word 'compromise' very soon.

I have said elsewhere that I will be in London for the anti-Brexit march later this month. Nevertheless I suspect that Brexit will go ahead with either a very bad deal, or an even worse, no deal. As soon as that happens I will turn my attention to mopping up every bit of positive news there is, because I have to believe, for my children's and grandchildren's sakes, that the pig's ear of Brexit can become a silk purse.

I do not see the EU as a crutch - sorry to disillusion you. I see it as giving me and my family freedoms which are being removed. I now have to pay the post office to get some sort of bit of paper to show I am allowed to drive abroad. Talk about extra bureaucracy. The EU hasn’t stopped the U.K. making motorbikes, cars, tractors, washing machines or anything else. So I’m not sure why it’s heralded as some kind of victory when we make something we’ve been making for years. What upsets me is when I hear that a neighbour is leaving to go to live in France as their medical supplies firm is relocating there and they don’t really want to leave. Of course I do celebrate good news-but that has nothing to do with Brexit

Brexit is good news to the majority of voters who voted leave.

18 days to go..

Petra do not presume to tell me or anyone else what we think about British businesses.

I know that it is not easy to set up a business and see it thrive. I knew this when I set my own business and fortunately became successful. Many do not. It is and always has been tough out there.

The last thing British businesses need is the imposition of all the extra problems, form filling, costs and difficulties needlessly imposed on them by brexit, which is why most are opposed to this wasteful destructive charade.

Why cannot both sides admit that all we are being “fed” re Brexit is “whataboutery”!!!

Nobody be they experts, MPs, Newspaper Editors or armchair pundits know what is going to / will happen.

I think we should listen to warnings from experts. For instance, I think that the chairman of Airbus probably knows more about the aviation business than I do and so, although he may not be able to exactly predict what might happen in his industry, he has a much better idea than most of us.

In the same way, I think that the President of the NFU (who described the effects of a no-deal brexit as "armageddon"), knows more about agriculture than most of us.

When the experts in so many different fields tell us that brexit will damage our country irreperably, I think it is foolish not to heed the warnings.

Yes, but we didn't need to know 'what will happen' before the referendum, did we? We do know [for starters] that the Medicines Agency have moved to Amsterdam and that various Japanese companies are relocating to Europe etc etc. But things like this are constantly being ignored. How can any country vote itself into a 'we don't know what will happen' scenario; we don't even know how we'll be trading with other countries beyond the end of this month. If we were a business we would have gone into liquidation ages ago. If we were a football team the manager would have been given the boot..it's a total fiasco.

The Seniors club I go to usually has a holiday booked by now , but because we are in Ulster they will not give us a booking till after Brexit . They have no confidence that they will be able to collect us as usual to holiday in Ireland !! We all have passports in readiness , mine is a British passport , everyone else except our Organiser has Irish passports ............. Monty Python couldn't make it up

If that is the case, GG13, how come you lot are so sure that it's going to be better out than in?

I just cannot get my head round this complete disdain for expertise. The rest of your list I agree with but experts are a completely different matter; they've done the job, they've studied the figures, they've learned from history and psychology, they've spent time developing comprehensive knowledge of their subject. Of course no-one can accurately foretell the future but experts can get pretty close.

I wonder if you think that your plumber, your doctor, your dentist, your builder (name any skilled job) are merely on a par with you for 'expertise' and you could do the job just as well?

They can all 'foretell the future' in their own ways.

MaizieD
Your assertion re expertise fails on the grounds that doctors, dentists, plumbers etc. are dealing with known, well documented and practiced current issues.
Brexit is an unknown.
The best minds can only make assumptions and based upon known facts at the particular time of writing. Even doctors who have years of training and some considered experts in their fields make diagnostic errors even when they have all relevant and current evidence. They cannot predict future events with accuracy, they cannot tell me I will have a heart attack next year. They may say I may have one sometime, but that is all.

If prophecies and predictions are to be made they should be done on the basisi of % probability, and the reasoning behind this. Then maybe both sides might understand better. However the % probability of this is probably 0.