We BREXIT this month (hopefully) ?

GrandmaKT

Would you 'get into bed' with a company, country or business which refused to audit their accounts?

Could someone please clarify for me the difference between a normal vote and a 'meaningful' vote? didn't we have a 'meaningful' vote in Jan (TM having unilaterally cancelled the promised one in Dec), what was 'meaningful' about it?

A Meaningful vote is the common name given to Section 13 of the United Kingdom's European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, entitled "Parliamentary approval of the outcome of negotiations with the EU"

Oh dear.

Cox: risk of remaining in backstop reduced but not eliminated.

I don’t think this WA will pass tonight.

I believe JC has already called for it to be rejected Urmston

He and Labour Remainers will not vote for anything brought back by Theresa May/ the Conservative Party, I fear, neither will the Lib Dems. Be interesting to see how the DUP contingent feel. Oh and the breakaway "Independents' are Remainers so she might as well kick the WA against a brick wall. It really is shameful.

The EU will 'bargain' no more, so how do we get out of the EU?

Andrew Bridgen on SKY says if the WA gets the vote tonight the public will be cheering - to get it done - but the EU will be cheering louder.

I don’t think this is going to fly.
Sadly.

I am going to put my 'hopeful' hat on, given the nature of this thread, btw!

We'll see.

It's also good that every other person I seem to speak to is incensed by the game-playing by parliamentary Remainers.

They aim to be obstructive, make TM's task impossible and even those with little interest in politics are becoming aware of Remainer MPs conducting a coup to stop the Brexit process.

If it happens, it has SEVERE implications for democracy.

But now we are all aware of it. That's a positive.

You’re right Day6 this is a GOOD NEWS forum so in that spirit, I too will try to be more optimistic!

And as I said a little earlier, the minds of these Remainer MP’s are, this time around, focusing on their jobs and futures!

Mrs. May has just been summoned by the 1922 Committee....

Oh dear, doesn't look good for you does it?

It very much seems that the Attorney General has " torpedoed" the so-called revised deal that Theresa May brought back from Strasbourg last night (11/03/19).

In that, it is the leave MPs that are stating they will not support Mays agreement for the second time when it comes to ballot later today.

So, the Brexitiers have the chance to see Britain out of the EU on March 29th, but it is very much looking at this point in time that they will ensure Britain stays in for the foreseeable future.

I believe that the country is united in believing just one thing, that being, WHAT A BL**DY MESS

Apologies for stating the above on the "optimism thread", but everyone in our office today is echoing those sentiments.

It may not look good for anyone if we are forced to leave without a deal.
Whatever changes May might have got from Brussels was never going to make any headway in sufficient numbers,as MP’s from both sides of the House are determined to stop us leaving at all.As you say Day6 most people, even if not interested in politics are waking up to what MP’s are up to
And it will have massive repercussions for voting intentions for years to come.
I have now come around to the idea of a second referendum, to take it out of their hands, and think the vote to leave the EU will now be even stronger.

Geoffrey Cox seems to have persuaded Nigel Dodds from the DUP that material new obligations are within this WA now. ‘One has to look at the substance not the label’.

Is it going to be enough?

I’m on tenterhooks.

I have come away from the idea of having a second referendum. The country is desperately divided as never before already, and many months of further campaigning by both sides can only further increase those divisions.

As someone who voted remain, I believe we should all now accept the result of the referendum and leave the EU with the best deal, we can secure.

In that, it is now sadly Mays deal of last night (11/03/19).

Grandad I admire your decision and salute you sir. Take a recommend ??

I agree it is a shambles Grandad, but I think many, many people are now aware our own parliament is to blame.

May HAS no option but to do a deal with the EU because she knows damned well that Remainer MPs will not agree to leaving with no deal. We all know they want to halt the whole process.

THAT is the mess we are in. May could have gone to Brussels saying we do it this way, it's beneficial to both of us, but if we don't get the concessions outlined, if they are not acceptable to the EU, then we shake hands and split now. "Bye bye Monsieur Barnier. Cheerio Pan (Donald) Tusk. Speak to our lawyers about where we go from here."

All May's negotiations have been limited because she does not have the backing of the HOC, despite the referendum.. In trying to get the best deal for the UK, ties to the EU have had to stay in place.

The EU is now contemptuous. Remainers are laughing. They have hijacked Brexit.

If there is any justice all their constituents will remember come the next GE and their careers in politics will be over. Traitors to the cause - which THEY don't believe in.

It is a bloody mess alright Grandad, created in the main by those who have not respected the outcome of the referendum. It would have been the same for whoever was trying to negotiate the break - and honour the result of the referendum.

In 2016, after the Leave outcome, Labour and Conservative parties said they would. In Remainer negotiations would they betray the UK, ignore the result of the referendum and throw in the towel from the start - as the likes of Chukka Umunna and Anna Soubry would surely have done?

Brussels have the UK over a barrel because of our Remainer MPs wanting their result.

It is a mess, created in Westminster, but it is also a shameful episode in the history of the HOC and UK democracy.

The ordinary people will remember.

Hear, hear Day6 Mrs. May & Olly Robbins have tried to bring everyone along by compromise and fudge. It has not worked. It’s been a shambolic attempt at delivering Brexit.

We still have Leave on WTO terms.
It is still the legal default position, even if Article 50 is extended until 23 May.
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I think putting that iPhone emoji in the title of this thread was unnecessarily imflammatory.

And has a lot to answer for.

it will not pass tonight

It is a bad deal for UK as it is actually not leaving at all.

traitors

we need to leave NO deal

You jest Gonegirl surely? A ‘fingers crossed’ for Brexit?
Of course I hope we leave on 29 March! As do 17m others (or more). It was in the hope that we are Out this month. Not inflammatory at all.

It’s not as though I put a champagne bottle or paper hats! It was a sign of HOPE - fingers crossed. - not a lot to ask for from a Leaver nearly 3 years down the line!

No jest.

No malice.

Im so happy to leave on wto , no deal is the only trie 100% leave Evil EU

1 wonder indeed what the Remainers thoughts would be had the boot been on the other foot?
Would they have liked the leave voters to have pulled all the stunts in the book to deny them their democratic vote?
I'm disgusted.
Democracy is not being served and all those who are complicit in trying to fudge and derail the democratic vote, are contemptible.

lemongrove If the deal fails again I understand there is some talk of voting the deal through on the basis of a confirmatory referendum afterwards. If this happened and leave won (i.e. her deal), though my own opinion wouldn't have changed, I would be completely happy with the result.

For those that say it is anti-democratic to have another vote as we have already had one how come she can keep putting her deal back. There is talk of it coming back a third time now.

Surely after almost 3 years and with a lot more information it would be fairer for the country to confirm what it wanted.

Gabriella G54 Geoffrey Cox is certainly not a remainer.