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Police numbers - who believes What TM say?

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crystaltipps Tue 05-Mar-19 07:04:05

Does anyone really believe there is no link between the cut in police numbers and the rise in crime? This is what is known as a negative correlation, but perhaps our esteemed former Home Secretary hasn’t heard of that. By that logic we might as well have no police at all. She also no doubt denies the link between austerity and rise in crime. Surely cuts in youth services, support for struggling families, also contribute? Shouldn’t we be trying to prevent increase in crime not just respond to it? I’m sure we’ve all got stories where the police haven’t responded to reports of car crime or burglary, because they are so overstretched. We should be campaigning to restore and increase police numbers overall.

EllanVannin Thu 21-Mar-19 19:28:18

I also refer mainly to the gang cultures that form when homes are broken. They are the children who are suffering. It's not the fault of police numbers-----it's the parents !

EllanVannin Thu 21-Mar-19 19:34:57

There's an interesting programme on BBC1 tonight at 9pm called " Stabbed ". Britain's knife crime crisis.

Jalima1108 Thu 21-Mar-19 19:51:56

If there is no connection between police numbers and crime, why bother having a police force at all?
Eloethan I think that crime figures went down and thus the number of police was reduced accordingly. However, the way that crime figures have been recorded has been subject to change.

I always think that it is a Catch 22 situation - crime figures go down so police numbers are reduced, then crime figures go up again ..l.

It just does not work.

crystaltipps Fri 22-Mar-19 05:43:07

Even if we blame the parents for youth crime, still doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have enough police to deal with the resultant problems does it? It also means we should perhaps put more resources into supporting inadequate and troubled families, perhaps something like Sure Start. - oh that’s been cut as well.

EllanVannin Fri 22-Mar-19 10:20:08

Who'd be policeman/woman in this day and age ??
Same goes for doctors and nurses.

Anniebach Fri 22-Mar-19 10:23:17

Thinking of the ages of those involved in knife crimes, they are the ages of our grandchildren !

Eloethan Sat 23-Mar-19 10:37:17

In the I yesterday there was an item headed "Children's centres face closure as funding falls".

Research by the Sutton Trust last year apparently found as many as 1,000 children's centres may have closed since 2009.

Sir Peter Lampl of the Sutton Trust said "good quality early years provision makes a huge difference to the development of children, especially those who come from the poorest homes".

There is an increasing number of children who are growing up in sub-standard, very cramped accommodation, often having to move several times during their schooling due to a lack of council/social housing and a very insecure private rental market. Family poverty and cuts in education budgets that have led to redundancies of teaching assistants and other support staff, add to this mix of negative conditions for learning and socialising.

Although it is predominantly young people with these sorts of issues that are more vulnerable to being caught up in gangs, it is not necessarily the case. I personally knew two senior educational professionals whose child became a member of a gang and committed a very serious crime.
No doubt there were difficulties in this and other families - different parenting styles, relationship breakdowns, etc, etc. - but even if parents have not parented wisely, that does not necessarily indicate they are negligent or uncaring. And it also should not mean that their children cannot receive the additional support they need.

A disaffected child can easily fall into the hands of criminals and becomes a disaffected - and dangerous - adult. Intervention at a young age can make a huge difference.