Shemima Begum

If you read back to 2016 it stated in the Guardian : " the latest statistics show that 125 of the 152 prisoners or 84% have been convicted for terror or terrorism-related offences. The remaining 27 prisoners are on remand awaiting trial ".

Can anyone elaborate on todays figures ? Deplore me all you like Anja---------I'm not keen on you either !!

Sorry EV, I genuinely don't understand what you are saying.

I don't think 152 prisoners means 80%.

I don't think we should be deploring each other really.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/22/number-of-terrorist-prisoners-uk-jails-hits-record-high-home-office-figures

The figures refer to the terrorist prisoners, not to the overall prison population.

84% of crimes were terror-related is self-explanatory isn't it ?

The latest statistics show that 125 of the 152 prisoners, or 84%, have been convicted for terror or terrorism-related offences. The remaining 27 prisoners are on remand awaiting trial.

They are talking about the number of terrorist prisoners in the prisons. Not the whole prison population.

I was talking about terrorists in prison,Conegirl. Of which there are over 250,000 Muslims inside prisons in England and Wales.

OMG, now we're talking about Muslims.

They are saying that 84% of the terrorist prisoners (152 of them) have been convicted. The remainder 27 prisoners are still on remand.

Of which 80 odd % are terrorist-related or hardcore Jihadi's.

I don't know how many Muslims are in prison. Why would anyone bother to count?

EV Specsavers?

No, the figures do not anywhere suggest that 80% of Muslim prisoners are being held for terror related offences.

The reason the prison service monitors the religion of prisoners is to help it manage the availability of appropriate accommodations such as chaplaincy/faith support visits, and any required dietary provision such as halal or kosher food.

Intelligence monitors these particular prisoners not because of any dietary requirements etc. but to make sure that they're segregated from those who display Jihadist tendencies and poison the minds of others.

Things are bad enough in prisons with the prison officers dealing with extremists because of a gang culture among the Muslim prisoners resulting in violence and drug trafficking.

Threats against staff other inmates and even prison chaplains remains a problem with extremist prisoners advocating support for IS.

EV no that’s NOT what it says! You are obviously confused by statistics. Please believe us when we say that a tiny proportion, well less that 1% of prisoners, are convicted terrorists. If you don’t ‘get’ something best not to spread misinformation.

I was talking about terrorists in prison,Conegirl. Of which there are over 250,000 Muslims inside prisons in England and Wales.

EV that is just not true ....the whole prison population in the UK is only about 83,000.

PS my first sentence above was a direct quote from EV

Read the Gatestone Institute.org. Re. Muslim population up 200% !

* Should read-----Muslim Prison Population.

Sorry Anja maths was never my strong point!

Then stop posting about nonsense numbers

So EV is that where you get your ‘facts’ from?

The Gatestone Institute is a right-wing anti-Muslim think tank with a focus on Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods. Gatestone was founded in 2012 by Nina Rosenwald, who serves as its president. Wikipedia

The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing anti-Muslim think tank with a focus on Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods

First sentence of the Wikipedia entry on the Gatestone Institute, further detail given if you go on the site.

We can now assess the accuracy and reliability of any statistics they publish. I am not sure I would place much reliance in them.

I suggest you look at the much more reliable figures produced by the House of Commons Library researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN04334 and in that document click on the download: Commons Briefing papers SN04334, Author: Georgina Sturge. This shows the UK prison population at roughly 83,000 (as others have said). 13,000, about 15% claim to be of the muslim faith. Most of those are guilty of all the ordinary every day offences of violence against the person, theft, sexual offences, robbery and drugs.

The number of terrorists among those is only 228. I quote from another reliable source Islamic extremists make up the majority of the 228 people imprisoned in the UK for terrorist offences, at 82 % of the total, followed by 13% far right, and 6% driven by other ideologies, including those linked to Northern Ireland. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/uk-prison-far-right-arrests-terrorists-conviction-national-action-a8398146.html.

There are several thousand people under investigation and many plots are spiked every year, but even then the numbers are very small.

Sorry for repating your quote Anja.

I'm afraid that I don't give much credence ( if any ) to this government nor the think-tanks who make up for it as the immigration subject is/has gone beyond their control. ( they're rubbish at figures too ! )

If it's taken these last two years to ignore what was clearly a democratic vote then their trust in what counts as in the interest of the public is all but diminished.

We're being fed lies from every angle and the media/press are only as good as what's been gleaned from the various politicians. No two stories are ever the same.

Yours certainly aren't.

EV Specsavers?
Gonegirl

(except that this is not really funny!)