Shemima Begum

I only said because EV keeps calling me Conegirl.

I thought it was to do with decimal points Gonegirl

You do not accept government statistics but you do accept those of the Gatestone Institute The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods.

I prsume you also believe that the earth is flat, Elvis still lives and Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun escaped to South America to a happy retirement in the sun.

This is so far off topic now it's become meaningless.

Chewbacca everything that could be said about this unfortunate woman has been said. Threads do move on, but when it comes to blatant misinformation on a related topic I’m sure you’ll agree that this has to be challenged.

Further when it is found to be sourced from a know racist site you wouldn’t want that to pass unnoticed either.

Completely agree Anja. It diminishes any rational discussion.

I don't think there is much more than can be said either, unless there is further news.

Pardon me for having my own views !!

FFS these are not your own ‘views’. Can you see that?

I'm in agreeance with them aren't I or I wouldn't have quoted them ? Therefore they're my views too ! D'oh !

How can a view be a fact?

It would appear that nobody gives a damn about our homeless on the streets, which include servicemen and others who through no fault of their own are homeless.

Yet-------you all talk about rehabilitating dangerous people and generally looking after them. Do any of them live on the streets ? No, because they're better looked after than those who fought for Queen and country. Fact.

Is it any wonder that I feel the way I do ? There's no justice

So were we at war with Iraq and Afghanistan or not?

As for fighting for queen and country, words fail.

Oh, for heavens sake, Ellan, go and read the archive of Gransnet and you will see the many threads where people talk about concern for the homeless, the work they do with organisation that help the homeless.

This thread is primarily about Shamima Begum and has widened out to discuss the wider problem of the British men who went out to fight for ISIS and the women who joined them, some of whom also played an active part in the atrocities.

Why cannot a thread discuss the subject in the OP without someone having to trail odours of sanctimony through the thread by always making sure that there is a at least one irrelevant post referring to the poor. The poor are real people with real problems and shoudn't be treated like a trophy for some do-gooder to carry around because by doing so it makes them feel good.

I'm well aware what the thread's about I was making comparisons to the treatment of the good and the bad and there DOES appear to be more concern about SB and her ilk than is what I would call normal.

I'm no do-gooder or I too would be joining the ranks of those of you who shed pity on those who find be-heading and other atrocities entertaining.

EV, take a break mate. You seem a bit tired and out of sorts.

EllanVannin, you are confusing different issues.
And in fact, insulting quite a lot of Gransnetters in the process by insinuating that they do not care about the homeless, injured servicemen, bereaved families, refugees etc etc because their views may differ from yours about this situation.

EV
Things are bad enough in prisons with the prison officers dealing with extremists because of a gang culture among the Muslim prisoners resulting in violence and drug trafficking
Actually I think many who convert to the Muslim faith in prison or who are Muslims when they are arrested actually forsake anything which might be considered drugs, including alcohol. The gang and drug culture is largely unrelated to religion.
I do think EV that your posts exhibit an anti-Islamic theme that can only be described as racist.
As for the homeless and ex-servicemen I think you will find that most of those sympathetic towards SB are the same people who constantly post about the disgusting way the poor and underprivileged are treated and have suffered under this government.

Well spoken, trisher - empathy with one does not equate to lack of it for anyone else in terrible circumstances (and gawd knows there are far too many of them, partly thanks to this wonderfully caring government of ours).

Why is the term 'do-gooder' a term of abuse? EV I suspect most of us would prefer that particular epithet to the opposite!

" Do-gooders ?" okay-----interfering busybodies then.

I have two examples in mind but I won't bore you with the details.

My sincere apologies to " Gonegirl " for getting your name wrong-----I didn't know where the Cone came from unless I had a bit of muck on my glasses.

Take no notice EllanVannin I agree with you I'm sick and tired of the posters who take the moral highground but do they actually do anything or just post on here because it make them feel good. As for your posts being racist how rediculous.

The Law says S.B is entitled to return here, perhaps the Law needs to be revisited.
Emotions run high regarding these situations, perhaps it should be a debate put to the people of this Country .Now would be a good time really with all the upheaval of the dreaded Brexit .
We are all already very divided as a Nation, so perhaps it’s time to address the issues that divide the many not the few(as the saying goes)

How kind of you Nicenanny. Good job I do take no notice of such posters as their behaviour could be taken as being tantamount to bullying considering there are a few of them who are bent on causing mischief.
Yes, I noticed the racist card had been played too but I care not about that either.

I don't think that we can look at the whole issue from an extreme point of view - whilst I don't think anyone should be rushing or putting themselves at risk to bring back this particular girl, I do question the legality of taking away her citizenship and wonder whether it would be better to let her return at some point to face justice.

NiceNanny it is not taking the moral high ground and I wonder what you actually do to help the refugees from Assad and ISIS?
Perhaps you have some contacts you could let us have so that more people can help.