Shemima Begum

What I mean lemongrove is you don't have to be a Christian to feel sorry for her.

No of course not Gonegirl

Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said on Twitter: "It is against international law to make someone stateless, and now an innocent child has died as a result of a British woman being stripped of her citizenship.

No, the baby has died (if that is true) for unknown reasons, possibly because his mother went to live in an ISIS stronghold in Syria or possibly because of other problems - we do not know why.

I have every sympathy for a child who has died or endured hardship in any way, however, 3 babies dying? Why? What was the reason for those deaths. Surely not lack of food as she would have been breast-feeding and surely even the worst of the worst would not see their child in need.
She went because it was an adventure, a chance to be heroic and live among danger but, had she stayed here, she would have had the chance to look after the sick and injured in the UK instead of siding with those who have murdered and continue to murder anyone who will not follow their 'God'.
Think about the multiple murders, videos sent around the world, gay men blindfolded and pushed off buildings.
She must have heard of or seen those acts.
We're were fed all sorts of stories, how the girls/women who went there were having a great time and treated well by their 'men'.
The stuff people are repeating here about them being raped by umpteen men, locked in houses and subjected to any amount of horrors is only what they want you to believe. None of it is corroborated by independent witnesses.
Could Christians truly have sympathy, forgiveness, compassion for a 15/16/17/18/19 yr old ISIS sympathiser if one of their family was killed by them?
Imagine your son, daughter or any family member killed or dreadfully maimed, their head put on display.
She has shown no remorse for the atrocities carried out in the name of that twisted offshoot of the Muslim religion, in fact, SB has justified their actions as tit for tat.
There for 4 years but now that it's crumbling, she wants her family again though she ignored their original pleas to come home.
All those who went there were aware that it was no picnic, it was plastered all over the news...daily.
My sympathy lies only with the families of those those who suffered unimaginable terrors at the hands of that regime.

I understood that SB's husband wanted her to be with him in The Netherlands.

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The stuff people are repeating here about them being raped by umpteen men, locked in houses and subjected to any amount of horrors is only what they want you to believe. None of it is corroborated by independent witnesses
GabriellaG I do believe that is what has been perpetrated upon the Yazidi women and little girls by ISIS men, aided by their women.

You're right Jalima. SB's husband was actually axked about the Yazidi women and how they were treated. Like every other atrocity, he denied ever having taken part or witnesed any of them but he did confirm that "one of his friends had a Yazidi woman slave and she was about 40 years old". Naturally, he didn't know anything more......

Despite all of this; I am still very sorry that their child has died. He was utterly innocent and totally blameless and the death of any child is to be mourned.

The two things should not be confused. I loathe ISIS and all it stands for, am repelled by their murderous and cruel acts. This does not stop my sadness at the death of three babies, whoever and whatever their parents were or are. Diane Abbott is a fool, the death of this innocent baby is not the fault of the British government.

Diane Abbott is a fool yup!

May the poor little baby rest in peace, and my thoughts and prayers go to his Mother.

You are right GillT57 & Chewbacca. I am saddened to hear of the death of this child.
I think this girl and by default ISIS have received enough publicity now.

I heard on the news that the baby developed breathing difficulties this morning, was seen by paramedics at the camp where Shamima is, the baby died and was buried not long afterwards. I have obviously taken this at face value.

She was a child when she left and has had four years of being brainwashed and indoctrinated. She's a victim, FFS. She was brainwashed and radicalised in the UK. She is a UK citizen who has suffered who knows what horrors. Bring her home. Rehabilitate her, restore her to her family and hopefully compassion and supervision will combine to give her the chance to turn her life around. We don't have to play into the bigoted hands of Daily Haters.

AGillT57 partly agree re compassion but Im not a Christian and Christians don't have the monopoly on compassion.

Whilst I had changed my initial knee jerk reaction and felt that she should have been allowed to return to this country, in no way do I feel we are somehow responsible for the death of this poor baby.

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enlighten me Beau what exactly ARE British values ? Are they the right wing tory values where the sick the poor the elderly are targetted and literally dying because of tory ideology..if so I dont have BRITISH values either .Nor do most folk I know ,we dont make racist remarks about people or feel anything but sadness for ANY mother who has lost not one but THREE babies .

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Beau, great to hear someone have the courage to speak the truth. There is always shock whenever anyone mentions the 'Right Wing', immediately associating it with the Nazis but, in fact, right-wingers are people who want a return to common sense, decency, and doing what is best for Britain. We need a government which is not afraid to get tough on the things that make a country a good place in which to live. A lot of our problems are caused by over-population, but this government refuses to address the problem.

I know this will sound awful but I personally do not believe there were two children who previously died, nor do I believe this third child actually existed. Yes, when it was ‘new born’ we had a glimpse of a baby but nothing thereafter as it was kept well hidden under her burka or in blankets.

Yes, I know it’s a horrible thing to say. But this was a well nourished young woman judging by her chubby face and chin. So I don’t understand how her two previous children died from malnutrition (allegedly). Nor did she hold this last child in any way that suggested maternal feelings. It was as if she was holding a doll.

There’s no need to have a go at me for saying this. I know it is horrible and cynical to suggest that these alleged children were simply used as a means to gain sympathy. I just cannot help feeling very cynical about anything that reeks of ISIS propaganda.

Yes, I am cruel, unkind and cynical and doubtless un-Christian too, I acknowledge all that. But I still think she should be returned to the UK to answer for her actions.

Beau I am horrified by your post

Bangladesh, not Pakistan.

Speaking the truth? Or a hate filled ill informed rant spewing misinformation and ignorance? This thread has posts that demonstrate GN at its prejudiced racist misogynist worst and it makes me sick to my stomach. I’m off this thread because there is nothing I can say that could’ make a difference to such entrenched ill informed views.

Before I go Anja I didn’t have you down as a conspiracy theorist. Surely there are too many people with skin in the game to allow such a scenario to succeed or even to be attempted.? If she was trying to gain sympathy how come her interviews were so crass in that respect. Most Isis brides have children and 100s of children have already died in that camp where living conditions are utterly incompatible with sustaining fragile newborn life. But anyway, I’m off now