Misreading the country?

The quote ‘It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt’ could have been written for Trump.

how informative

And in your case quite apt!

I am not of course denying you a right to express your opinions though ???

oh I am relieved

Maizie ......there is quite a bit of hot air from Remainers too.

Parliament should get on and accept May’s deal now, there isn’t anything else (that’s sensible) to do.

And to hell with NI and fishing communities? (To name but 2 serious but unresolved issues).

Agree with your post @ 8:35 today one hundred percent Lemongrove. I believe that many are now coming around to the same conclusion.

Mays deal is the only one on the table, and most importantly resolves the Irish border issue.

Apologies that should be Lemongroves post @ 08:39 and not the one Lemongrove made @ 08:35 above.

I did vote remain, but like many, I now believe that Mays deal is now the best that ANYONE is going to get whether they are leave or remain in their thinking.

Listening to Mhairi right now - and thinking about Scotland Jane10. I have always been for the Union- and was totally against Scotland wanting Independence.

But seeing how Mrs May and Government have absolutely and totally ignored Scotland recently- and behaved as though they just do not exist- don't you think the result will be another push for independence, and that 1000s and 1000s of previous Unionists will say now is the time. And I really could not blame them.

I agree with you Grandad that at this stage TM's deal is the best anyone is likely to get, but it is still nowhere near as good as the one we already have . Surely politics should be about making things better, not worse?

I realise that Mrs May is a remainer but I would imagine that her innate sense of fair play, her conscience and her faith, would have come to the fore.
I doubt that she's a woman to play games with or renege on the wishes of the majority who voted.

Theresa May may have voted Remain but she has been utterly blinkered in her approach to Brexit.

She talks about the 17m who voted leave, but totally ignores the 49m who did not, although she knows well that any kind of brexit would make all our lives worse.

She listens to the DUP whose brexit policy is opposed to the majority in NI, but never to any other parties. She makes concession after concession to the small gang of Tory bullies in the ERG whilst ignoring the more sensible wing of her party.

Most unforgiveably, she ignores 700,000 peaceful law-abiding PV marchers, whilst parroting the rhetoric of about 100 violent brexit thugs who attacked the police outside Parliament and threatened riots if they do not get their own way. Her repeated use of inflammatory language about "betraying the will of the people" causing civil unrest has been utterly shameful.

From varian
-She talks about the 17m who voted leave, but totally ignores the 49m who did not-

Completely agree, and I have to disagree with Grandad1943, TM's deal is not the only way now: we could get a year-long extension to Article 50, in order to have a 2nd referendum now that we are more aware of the issues / a GE / a cross-party group including major stakeholders to re-negotiate - at least 3 alternatives to TM's deal.

Like Nicola or not, but she was so right:

www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/videos/1243654209045853/

varian no one knows how those who didn’t vote would have voted if it had been compulsory. There was a vote and there was a majority to leave. No one can speak for those who didn’t vote.

Agree with you annie-

but it is wrong to ignore the many millions who voted to remain- and only listen to those who voted out- especially as the numbers are so so close.

And, I am sorry to repeat, but I will continue to do so... in view of the lies, the fraud, the foreign interference and dodgy money, the hidden and illegal targetting of certain groups, etc, etc. No-one will ever be able to calculate what proportion was the result of the above- but with such a tiny minority- it is fair to say that the majority would have been lost and probably reversed.

So- new circumstances, new information, consequences known - time to ask for a confirmatory vote. Only Democratic was forwards.

Wrong too, to totally and absolutely ignore Scotland.

and Mhairi says it very well:

www.facebook.com/Mhairi.Black.SNP/videos/618242285304265/

Jon Snow saying it exactly as it is:

www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/03/15/jon-snow-taking-matt-hancock-brexit-speaks-for-entire-nation-right-now/

I don't agree jura! This current shambles around trying to disengage from EU after only a matter of decades is enough to put anyone with any spark of intelligence off trying to disengage from a union lasting for centuries! The economic case alone would be diabolical.

Totally understand- and yet- all the Scots I know have changed their mind and are prepared now for the massive changes- as they do no wish to be vassals and ignored any longer.

But it is good Jane, that we can agree to disagree. And of course you live in Scotland and have insights that I could never have. But perhaps Edinburgh is not indicative of Scotland as a whole, just as London is not indicative of England as a whole.

Leavers full of hot air but no idea how the negotiations could have been done differently
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If YOU know how they could have been done differently, please enlighten us from your Remainer font of wisdom MaizieD

Once again, no answers from Remainers but lots of insulting of Leavers.

Discussion from them tends to be of the 'you are wrong, I am right' variety.

I can only speak for myself but more than ever, this shambolic series of 'negotiations' to trade with the EU (ie: Remainer driven) rather than leave, has me convinced we need to remove ourselves from the EU, and quickly.