Boris

I see the latest stupidity B. Johnson has come out with and look back on D. Cameron and his Chancellors' (sorry can't remember his name) austerity policy and wonder what the hell Eton were teaching kids 20/30 years ago.

I sincerely hope they have changed their approach to Ethics.

Dr Shipman was found guilty and sentenced. Fred West took his life and his wife was found guilty and sentenced.

Bodies were dug up the the West home

So don’t you believe Jimmy Savilles case should have been investigated Newnanny

Cold cases are worth looking into as new information comes to light.

I had never heard that word before ( a schoolboy word?)
Boris seems to get away with saying almost anything, but
Reducing this subject to gutter level is pretty stupid and crass, unfortunately just like himself quite often.

CS is dead but it’s quite right that the Child Abuse Enquiry is investigating allegations about him - at the very least maybe DS ( and others) will learn that they cannot turn a deaf ear to allegations of such abuse. A lot has been learned re JS as well and what he was allowed to get away with. We can learn from the dead and so we should .

The problem is if an allegation is brought against a person who is dead, they obviously cannot face a trial and would it be fair if they could not protect their reputation. If perpetrators of abuse are still alive then they should face trial. People who have been abused may feel better if they get the chance to vocalise what they have been through.

ab because the rule of law and due process doesn’t always work as it should, it doesn’t mean that all historic sex abuse cases should not be followed up but rather that systems should work better and be improved

I agree absolutely MissA I meant his disgraceful language. That is not acceptable.

Boris Johnson is a disgraceful man I nearly fell off my chair when he uttered those words
No one should get away with child abuse and MaryEliza is correct historical doesn’t necessarily mean dead
Should there never be anything about Dr Shipman or Fred Wests crimes because they choose to cop out of it and kill themselves and they aren t here to defend themselves
If the investigations are robust and without doubt they should be investigated whether dead or alive

What of those in the list in POG post ?

Any crime, but particularly those against children (or other vulnerable groups) should be investigated, however long it has been since they were committed, I think.
I don't consider it a waste of money; it is right to bring people to justice, and to dismiss what they've done is almost as bad as condoning their actions, and an insult to the victims.

What a disgrace he is. Boris should stick antics on the zip wire and nothing else, he needs sacking.

Correction

I ' AM.' of the opinion there are historic cases that should have been dealt with at the time.

I've never heard the word spaffed before.

This topic is worthy of a debate but Boris has reduced the question to gutter level.

Boris Johnson needs to think before he speaks.

What Boris says is of little consequence but the subject in question most certainly is.

A poster said:-

" I don’t agree with the dead being judged for crimes , everyone must be allowed to defend themselves, the dead cannot"
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They can certainly be defamed for political gain by those who elect to use Parliamentary Privilege and believing, as did the police, in the words of a liar.

There are names that have been and will be dragged into the mud but unless there is decent, grounded ' EVIDENCE ' and not hatred of a political party or person used to defame them then if the accused is no longer alive to defend themselves there should be no repeat of the disgraceful, overtly political propaganda that we saw during the police investigation ' OPERATION Midland.' which proved to be a baseless, pack of lies by a fantasist called ' Nick'.

If there is decent, grounded ' EVIDENCE ' of wrong doing then of course whether historic or not the abused should have the right to be heard but it must be done for the right purpose and politicians, the police, the CPS, the media must learn from the disgraceful manner individuals such as Leon Brittan, Lord Brammell, Cliff Richards, Ted Heath, Neil Fox, Dave Lee Travis, Paul Gambaccinni, Harvey Proctor et al were treated.

I am not of the opinion there are historic cases that should have been dealt with at the time but for goodness sake let the individuals named in OPERATION MIDLAND who were cleared and given apologies by the police be free of this continuing need to mudrake because of who they were.

One thing I do agree with is the waste of money OPERATION MIDLAND and others like it have proven to be and the fact it comes out of the Police and CPS budget. I think they need to reflect on the copious amounts of cases that have proven to be spurious allegations and thrown out of court and the cost not only to financial budgets but to the individuals concerned whether they be politicians, celebrities, students or whom ever.

Terri there’s no ‘alleged’ about it - DS has admitted it to the Child Abuse Enquiry.

Good job Diane Abbott didn't say it.

A crime is a crime whether is was committed yesterday or thirty years ago. No one who has abused children should be allowed to feel that if they have got away with it for the past 30 years they are immune from prosecution.

I didn't know what "spaffed" meant. He's just slipped lower in my estimation.
Anniebach if someone has suffered abuse as a child but only speaks out in adulthood it is very possible that their abuser will be elderly and may die during the investigation. Are those people not entitled to know that the abuse has at least been properly investigated?

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"Should people not have spoken up about Jimmy Saville" I agree crystaltipps allegedly a lot knew what he was up
but either willingly or were coerced into turning a blind eye due to his charity work, a tacit nod seemingly as if that somehow mitigated his wrong doings.

Allegedly David Steel knew what Cyril Smith was up to but didn't suspend him

There are three distinct issues here - a national figure using language like that in public on nationwide radio, secondly using it in the context of child sexual abuse and thirdly the issue he pretended to care about/ use of resources. He couldn’t give a flying fig about abused children or appropriate use of resources - he’s a man child who’ s incapablr of realising that his hopes of leadership have been - well- one could insert his phrase here

I agree if this had been a Labour politician making such a crass comment there would be more criticism - remember how outraged some people were when JC called May a “stupid woman”. Yes it’s horrible, inappropriate language, victims of child abuse in the past should be able to have their experiences listened to and the perpetrators brought to justice, if possible. Should people not have spoken up about Jimmy Saville? Surely such knowledge helps us prevent future victims. It shouldn’t be either /or - we should put adequate resources into crime prevention.

No, the very opposite