Betting on anything at this stage would be futile, but I do think there is real hope now that May’s deal will be passed either on third or fourth voting.?
I was more for just bluddy Leave without a deal. Just get us out.
Now I’m more disposed to compromise.
I think TM deal achieves that. I’m happy ‘enough’ with it. It’s not great but it’s workable, allows a transition period while we all adjust and negotiate further.
I still think we should stay in a Customs Union. This does NOT mean free movement of labour. I don’t have a problem with that but I understand some people are a touch xenophobic and might.
If andypandy could explain exactly what part of being in the EU he dislikes then perhaps i could understand where he is coming from. I’m sure even the most ardent remainers have reservations about a couple of their policies.
Perhaps Theresa May’s deal is fair then. I don’t particularly like it but is it a workable compromise? They negotiated until we reached a mid-point agreement that neither Remain nor Leave are entirely happy with. Is this then a good indication that it was pretty fair?
A very useful link, thank you. So much detail to be sorted within the broad categories. But overall I think that like all compromises it will end up pleasing neither side of the Brexit divide. Too much emotion and not enough information seems to be the common theme.
You certainly were niaive if you ever trusted Nigel Farage, Daniel Hannan, Boris Johnson, Liam Fox, Micheal Gove, Owen Paterson, Bill Cash, Kate Hoey, Andrea Leadsum , Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin or any of the other Leave liars.
customs territory is another word for customs union and is not leaving at all
I have been betrayed by all of them , lie after lie, do the opposite to their manifesto.
They all serve themselves politicians, now I see this finally after trusting them. Very dangerous and are against the uk as they are getting incentives to betray us.
I see now how niave I have been in trusting any politician .
This is the bit that that seems important too. Though I'm not sure what it means: "Once the UK officially leaves the EU on March 29 2019, both sides have agreed that the UK will enter into a transition period where the UK will enter into a “single customs territory” with the EU. " With the option to continue? This sounds like the plan that Corbyn had in mind.
I haven’t opened the link because I am fed up of Brexit now.
I’m not posting on any more forums about it any more.
The public who voted to Leave the E.U. have been shafted by a Parliament who want to hijack proceedings and ‘take back control’. I’ve given up on thinking about it any more as, in my opinion, if it ever happens (!) it will be such a watered down version of Brexit as envisaged by Leavers, it’s not worth it. Plus, every little thing that goes wrong if we do ‘ahem’ Leave will be grist to the mill for Remainers.
I find the responses very interesting and, unlike other Brexit threads where (almost) everyone weighs in with an opinion unsupported (mainly) by fact, very few have posted. Those who did have (mainly) read the link and reacted to it.
Have read Thank you Anja. My view is that in the main the fishing industry voted out and they have been sold down the river. Their livelihoods are at stake. They unlike the miners have very little political leverage, can't for instance strike or work to rule as many are self-employed. From their point of view No deal would probably be the better option.
So much 'parking' of big issues. Not only fishing but seamless electronic commerce (currently no more than a research task). So much of the "we will" but so little we have firmly agreed. So nebulous. So many promises from a government that has broken so many and simply cannot be trusted. How can we trust a cabinet/government whose brexit secretary urges HoC to back an upcoming amendment and then votes against it? More than ever after yesterday's fiasco I want 2 votes - to allow us to remain in EU and also for Scotland to leave the UK.