Corbyn's long game - driving journalists crazy- and you?

This thread is NOT about anti-semitism lemon- please.

Are centre left posters allowed to post ? Or only the far left ?

Anyone can post, you know that - and I am certainly NOT far left. This thread is very specific and not about anti-semitism.

Can the present Labour Party and anti semetism be seperated ?

Yes, in the OP's context. Thanks.

Is Labour a Party of REMAIN or LEAVE.?

On one hand Corbyn has stated if there were a 2nd Refendum Labour will campaign to REMAIN.

BUT. If Labour were in power it would negotiate a DEAL and LEAVE.

The codswallop of the manta Labour wants to protect jobs, Workers Rights and the environment hence would not sign the UK/EU Withdrawal Agreement was seen for the sham it has always been to get a General Election.

Theresa May offered Labour concessions after talks , knowing it was political suicide and her job, the following 10 point concessions :-

The commitments would be guaranteed in law and include:

1. A legal commitment to conclude alternative arrangements to replace the Northern Ireland backstop by December 2020, so it never needs to be used

2. A commitment that, should the backstop come into force, the Government will ensure that Great Britain's border rules stay aligned with Northern Ireland.

3. Negotiating objectives and final treaties for the UK's future relationship with the EU will have to be approved by MP's.

4. A new Workers' Rights Bill offering protections at least as favourable as those in the EU.

5. No change in the level of environmental protection when the UK leaves the EU.

6. As close to frictionless trade with the EU as is possible once the UK has left the single market but an end to free movement of people.

7. A commitment to align the UK with EU rules for goods and products to protect thousands of jobs dependent on just-in-time supply chains.

8. A commitment to allow MPs to decide on future customs arrangements with the EU.

9. A vote for MPs on whether the deal should be subject to a Referendum.

10.A legal duty to secure changes to the current political declaration agreed with Brussels to reflect the new deal.

Labour achieved what it asked for and Theresa May gave concessions but Labour were out of the stalls still relying on the tired old mantra of the workers rights, environment angle, as they are to date.

Getting a Deal has become harder without passing the UK/EU Withdrawal Agreement but that does not faize Labour as they still think a General Election, their sole aim is in sight.

They could be right now Boris Johnson is Leader of the Tories but they have played a political game and 3 years of flip flop from the likes of Corbyn/Keir Starmer/ Barry Gardiner down the electorate still do not know if Labour is a party of REMAIN or LEAVE

Jura

"Anyone can post, you know that - and I am certainly NOT far left. This thread is very specific and not about anti-semitism."
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Many threads are specific but you yourself deviate from the OP, it happens.

yes it does, and yes I do. But it is not helpful to just shout 'anti-semitism' anytime the LP is mentionned. So this is a polite request to stick to Corbyn's current position on Brexit. Thanks.

How can his current position on Brexit be discussed ? He hasn’t decided

jura2 Quote [ Of course it is Grandad 'Oh, this crisis is nothing to do with the Tory Party whatsoever. grin

Excuses.....Excuses......Excuses, as usual from the right wing on the forum.' End Quote.

jura2, what you quote above was stated by me in an alternative thread today. I have not gone back through previous posts in this thread, but I feel sure I have not made a post here for a least two weeks.

Yes, you are correct.

So is Labour a LEAVE or REMAIN Party as of today?

Has there been a concrete answer with a General Election looming?

They will vote against ‘no deal’, that’s as far as they have reached.

Corbyn wants out so he isn’t going to fight for remain.

Grandad- your wisdom is required here

Not by all

and what now?

The Prime Minister should have the confidence to put their deal, or No Deal, back to the people in a public vote.

In those circumstances, I want to make it clear that Labour would campaign for Remain against either No Deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs.

But labour does not want a people’s vote and Corbyn is not a supporter of remain

Grany: '... a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs.'

such a deal is just not possible - that has been made clear again and again, and it totally makes sense. It is not the EU being 'difficult' or 'intransigeant' - it is just plain common sense that no country can ask for all the advantages, but none of the responsibilities.

... and without the backstop or proper arrangements for the EU/Irish border and UK/NI border- that protects EU countries' interests fairly, and respect the Good Friday Agreement.

It doesn't matter it Mrs May asks, or Johnson or Corbyn - it just can't and won't happen.

Grany

Grany Fri 09-Aug-19 13:56:04

"In those circumstances, I want to make it clear that Labour would campaign for Remain against either No Deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs."
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Corbyn has said in a 2nd Refendum / Peoples Vote Labour would campaign to ' Remain', agreed.

BUT

Corbyn says if Labour won a General ection Labour would negotitiate a better deal than the Conservatives.

Hence the question that is simple.

Is Labour a Party of Remain or Leave????

yep THAT is the question- some are, some are not and everything in between. It's a mystery

Anybody!

Is Labour a LEAVE or REMAIN Party?

They haven’t decided,

I think most of them have decided, Jeremy as not and McCluskey is pulling the strings anyhow.