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Corbyn's long game - driving journalists crazy- and you?

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jura2 Mon 18-Mar-19 11:55:08

Certainly me- same with his close acolytes- never ever answering a direct question:

What about you? He is still going on about being able to quickly negotiate a Norway style deal without any of the strings and responsibilities attached.

Anniebach Mon 27-May-19 20:35:38

Rubbish , he doesn’t want a second referendum so his pathetic ‘take it back to the people’ is just another wriggly worm performance, he is pathetic

trisher Tue 28-May-19 11:00:26

I still wonder (and no one has yet explained to me) how we are to get a second referendum without a GE? But I wait for those who know so much to explain it to me.

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 11:14:04

Perhaps MacDonald, Abbott, Watson could explain it to you trisher they are calling for it so surely they have thought it through

varian Tue 28-May-19 12:53:55

Alistair Campbell has been expelled from the Labour Party for voting LibDem in the EU election.

Meanwhile Lord Ashcroft has polled 10,000 people asking how they voted this time and in the last GE. He found that-

"More than half (53%) of 2017 Conservative voters who took part in the European elections voted for the Brexit Party. Only just over one in five (21%) stayed with the Tories. Around one in eight (12%) switched to the Liberal Democrats. Labour voters from 2017 were more likely to stay with their party, but only a minority (38%) did so. More than one in five (22%) went to the Lib Dems, 17% switched to the Greens, and 13% went to the Brexit Party."

So 62% of those who voted Labour in 2017 did not vote Labour this time. 22% voted LibDem, so it is quite reasonable to suppose that this includes many Labour Party members. Will they all be expelled?

trisher Tue 28-May-19 13:03:38

Not unless they all go on TV and boast about it varian!

jura2 Tue 28-May-19 13:07:49

I belong to several pro remain sites, 1 representing expats in France - and their reaction to Alistair Campbell being expelled- is that it is time for all labour remainers to expel themselves (many, including myself- did that 2 years ago)...

There are many on this thread and others who Corbyn 'haters' and probably LP too. Personally, this is NOT my case - I was a LP member myself, voted Labour, and have never been anti Corbyn, and did admire him in many ways. I feel totally disinfranchised and massively disappointed now. I have joined BOTH Lib Dems and Greens.

varian Tue 28-May-19 13:09:09

I heard what Alistair Campbell said. He was asked directly how he had voted and said "LibDem" then explained why. Far from boasting, he was telling the truth about how disappointed he felt in the Labour Party leadership, and his words were tinged with sadness.

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 13:16:17

Will labour party members who were interviewed on tv and said they had voted for Brexit be expelled , some were in

trisher Tue 28-May-19 13:16:24

I saw it as well varian never sure with AC when he is simply playing for effect. He is after all the master manipulator. I would imgine there were many looking for an excuse to get rid of him anyway. He must have made a lot of enemies when he was top-dog. That's the problem with behaving the way he did, it comes back to get you. It's a case of "Be Nice to people on the way up ...."

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 13:27:38

Alastair joins Frank Field who was forced to leave the party.

Ken Livingstone resigned after being suspended and was paid glowing tributes by Corbyn

jura2 Tue 28-May-19 13:35:24

And Kate Hoey, who stood by Farage all along the campaign- is still there???

trisher Tue 28-May-19 13:39:09

Alistair and Frank now there's a combination some would have imagined impossible!!!

jura2 Tue 28-May-19 15:33:52

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lemongrove Tue 28-May-19 15:38:14

I like Frank, but not Alistair, I expect A will be taken back into the fold ( if he promises never to vote for the Lib Dems
Ever again😄

jura2 Tue 28-May-19 15:48:18

Tom Watson:

'"My concern is the speed in which that happens. It's too late to consult our members and change the policy at conference. We need to do it sooner.

"And that's why we either need a special conference or a ballot of our members to change the policy.

"Because a very small number of people on our NEC decided that European manifesto and it was quite clearly an electoral catastrophe for Labour. And we can't allow that to happen again."

The EU-wide vote saw the party slump to just 14% of the vote, shedding ten MEPs and coming in behind the Brexit Party and the Liberal Democrats. The party was also wiped out in Scotland, and placed behind Plaid Cymru in Wales.

Mr Corbyn's vow to consult members on the party's Brexit policy came amid mounting criticism of Labour's European elections strategy from MPs, and just hours after Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry said candidates had been let down by the party hierarchy's refusal to explicitly support a second EU referendum.

"We should have said quite simply that any deal that comes out of this government should be put to a confirmatory referendum and that Remain should be on the ballot paper and that Labour would campaign to Remain," she said.

Diane Abbott, another key frontbench ally of Mr Corbyn, said the party needed to "listen to our members and take a clearer line on a public vote".'

Ginny42 Tue 28-May-19 15:57:22

How do we know how other LP MPs voted anyway? Campbell was asked a direct question. Seems a strange question and he chose to answer it honestly.

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 16:17:08

I wish those labour members in the house and the lords who voted for the Libs would speak out

jura2 Tue 28-May-19 17:31:40

Wonder how Kate Hoey voted ;)

jura2 Wed 03-Jul-19 11:15:45

Truly feel a bit better and more optimistic today- as Lisa has clearly and publicly stated that Labour wants to Deal and will try to negotiate one ... but failing that- will work tirelessly to stop No Deal with allies, and strongly push to Revoke Article 50.

So, perhaps the Long Game may turn out to avert disaster at the very last minute. Good on you Lisa.

jura2 Wed 03-Jul-19 12:41:34

It's about time Jeremy Corbyn categorically stated the same, and McCluskey too- because it it his members who are currently suffering most, and will be the massive losers of No Deal.

jura2 Sun 28-Jul-19 13:48:28

So, has the time come for Corbyn to make place for someone new, younger and who can try and unite the Party and present a very strong opposition to No Deal?

For me, the answer is a resounding 'YES' - and I am not anti Corbyn. He is a great activist and I agree with many of his policies.

jura2 Sun 28-Jul-19 14:32:43

Corbyn must now choose, join the Alliance for reason or make way.

Excellent article by Will Hutton in Guardian, part here:

'What to do? The best of Britain must mount a united, full-fronted roar in response, protecting our values and advocating a wholly different programme to sustain our integrity and inclusiveness as a country while making common cause with the EU. Yes, our capitalism will need to be reshaped, our political system overhauled and our social contract refashioned. But first and foremost comes EU membership, foundational for the rest.

No united front is possible without the Labour party. Johnson has scorned Jeremy Corbyn as a Remainer. The Labour leader should glory in the epithet, own it and turn it to his advantage – there is now no room for dissimulation and triangulation. In a de facto civil war initiated by the Brexit right, there is no middle ground. We are in a battle for the very idea of a country and the Labour leadership has to reaffirm that it is a national party and will in the national interest reach across party lines. Johnson’s Brexit Tories, and their slavish fifth columnist press, are the new sectarian enemy.

Labour has to make the case for Remain as the base for a wider common programme that it will negotiate with the Liberal Democrats, Greens and even dissident liberal Tories. Nationalist parties in Scotland and Wales should be welcomed to sign up; the promise will be a federal Britain inside the EU. They may refuse, but many of their voters will not.'

jura2 Sun 28-Jul-19 14:36:09

Of course it is Grandad 'Oh, this crisis is nothing to do with the Tory Party whatsoever. grin

Excuses.....Excuses......Excuses, as usual from the right wing on the forum.'

But now is the time for the LP to step up to the plate and help prevent disaster - NOW. And very large numbers, both in and out of LP, both Corbyn admirers and 'haters', agree he is not the one to lead this. Procrastinating by LP will mean No Deal, in just a few weeks time. Surely you can see this? And I am no Corbyn hater, for sure.

lemongrove Sun 28-Jul-19 14:38:23

Grany the point about the present LP under Corbyn’s
Leadership ( or lack of) is that the party membership have become more and more anti-semitic overall.Who to blame?
Corbyn of course, as that’s where the buck stops.

lemongrove Sun 28-Jul-19 14:43:00

Doesn’t anyone wonder how things would be going if the LP had been in government ( had May lost the GE)?
He would no doubt have had a similar deal to May, but Parliament would have turned it down just the same, and the present situation would be replicated.
With Parliament being so divided nothing would have been accepted by them.