Theresa May must go

The Farage march from Sunderland is perhaps the best illustration of how good, honest people- were misled and lied too, and exploited- in a truly shameful way- and he can't even be bothered to be there- too busy going around his alt right EU friends to persuade them to block and undermine our Government and parliament- in the most hypocritical way ever.

I am not a violent person - but I do wish I could get my hands on Cameron and have a 'word' (or two).

I am no admirer or fan of Mrs May- and found herself pig in the middle of a massive mess, with a party so divided- and I have to admire her for her dedication- call it sutbborness - most would have buckled and fallen apart- she is probably going through menopause and is diabetic - I don't know how she keeps going.

But the most worrying thing when she goes, and who on earth would replace her. Probably one of the extreme ERG public school elites, who have been making tons of money througout the crisis, and planning to make a lot more- and moving assets abroad, to offshore low tax areas or even the EU - and are hell bent on taking the whole country to the cleaners and bleed the poorest dry. There is not a single on of them I would trust in any way, shape or form. Scary, truly scary.

The country's been " in crisis " for years, this is nothing new.
We've had the ongoing poverty and homelessness for a long time. Housing shortages and NHS troubles, etc.

Only those who are well-conversant in the above issues can make any improvements-------and they're not politicians but ordinary people who have experience in those areas.

You were right the first time Urmstongran

Cameron will go down in history as an arrogant reckless gambler who held a referendum on a very complicated subject that should never have been the subject of a yes/no answer.

Nobody, and I'm not just talking about those who were fooled into voting leave , I mean absolutely nobody, properly understood all the consequences of the UK leaving the EU. Anyone who said they knew exactly what they were voting for is a fool or a liar or both.

Cameron then failed to protect the status quo with a super-majority, as should always happen for any change to a constitution. You would probably need a 60%/40% vote on a minimum turnout of 75% to change the constitution of your local gardening society. In the first Scottish devolution referendum the "yes" side won, but it was not enacted because less than 40% of the electorate voted "yes".

He allowed many stakeholders, such as more than 1 million UK citizens living in other EU countries and over 3 million EU citizens living in the UK to be disenfranchised, although these people could be very much affected by the result.

He permitted the leave campaign to be financed by foreign interests and did not make it clear that under our constitution a referendum could only ever be advisory, not mandatory, making a statement he had no right to make about acting on the result.

Theresa May, in her efforts to placate the extreme right, has badly let down the country but David Cameron started this appalling brexit nonsense and must take the biggest share of the blame.

On lunchtime news TM has admitted the UK is ‘in crisis’ ...so who is to blame?

To those who are asking ‘who would replace her/do a better job?’ I would reply ‘Anybody!’ Nobody could have made a worse botch up.’ And the proof of this particular pudding is there for all to see.

I thought Cameron would be viewed by history as the worst prime minister we've ever had. Now I think May is about to take that crown for herself.

I think a lot of the mess we are in now is down to TM. Yes, leave won the vote but almost half the vote was to stay. If she had tried to reach some sort of consensus instead of aligning herself with the hard brexiteers we might be in a better place. I think the bribery of the DUP is disgraceful, they don't even represent the views of the people of Northern Ireland.

She has put party before country and procrastinated and procrastinated so that we have ended up in this mess with just 10 days to go.

Goodness knows what the answer is now but she is so inflexible,, has no imagination and seems incapable of making a decision that I have lost what little confidence I had in her.

Something!

One of the most damaging aspects of this whole Brexit shambles has been to expose voters to the unpalatable truth that the House of Commons is not a place of all the talents. Indeed, it currently feels like Idiots Central.

And so, the EU has potentially done her job for her. It is understood to have already indicated to the prime minister that she can have the extension but in return she must either soften her deal or hold a second referendum.

That croaking noise coming out of May’s mouth last week was her choking on her own words as she saw control not being taken back but slipping further away.

www.holyrood.com/articles/comment/theresa-may-has-lost-all-authority-and-must-go

Ahh Mexico's new president

Seems like Mexico and The USA do have somthing in common,
A Populist President

spabbygirl

" Corbyn will be a great leader, perfect to sort out the mess "

How?

Surely you jest Spabbygirl

TM is a blithering idiot, I describe her as an over promoted town hall official. I don't see anyone else in the party as having the charisma or vision so goodness knows who will come next. One Tory is the same as another I reckon.
Corbyn will be a great leader, perfect to sort out the mess Neo-liberalism has left this country in. Mexico's new president has vowed to abolish free market politics that have been 'a calamity' for the country.

Maizie d

"Good God, POGS. I always thought you were one for logic but this is not logical."
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My point is not only based on logic but fact.

Toynbee like many Remain commentators, journalists, activists and a great many GN Remain posters have said the older generation basically had ' no right ' to make a decision on the UK's future with the EU as it was not their future but the generations that followed.

That is the thought process behind Toynbee's ageist / crass tweet and I don't think Toynbee would deny it if questioned . I have heard , read and watched Polly Toynbee being interviewed so many times over the years there is no grey area over her stance on the subject.

" What was 'the will of people' is now ' the will of dead people '. From Saturday, new young remain voters on register tip the balance v old dead leavers. Time for a Final Say Referendum. '

It spoke volumes!

It might be "black sky thinking" (new one on me!) but it still needs an answer.

TM has done the best possible. How can it make a difference who actually talks to EU up front? It's all done by lackeys behind the scenes.

Exactly what EV said. And the good question she put to OP.

Good God, POGS. I always thought you were one for logic but this is not logical.

What was 'the will of people' is now 'the will of dead people'.

There is nothing in that tweet which says that older people's thoughts, opinions etc. have no validity.

Maizie d

" And I can't for the life of me understand what 'past her sell by date' is meant to mean? Are you suggesting that once people get to a certain age they have no business to be voicing their opinions or analysing situations? "
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You mean like Polly Toynbee suggests exactly that !

Even when she tweets , let alone the articles she has written on the subject, she suggests once people get to a certain age they have no business to be voicing their opinions or analysing situations? " !

Who remembers her tweet:-

' What was 'the will of people' is now 'the will of dead people'. From Saturday, new young remain voters on register tip the balance v old dead leavers. Time for a Final Say Referendum. '

and can't even review the papers on Andrew Marr without immediately contradicting the other presenters.

Sorry, eazybee but I don't quite understand why she has to agree with all the other presenters.

who never uses two words where she can use twenty,

I think she does that because she expects her readers to be bright enough to understand more than just two or three word slogans and soundbites.

And I can't for the life of me understand what 'past her sell by date' is meant to mean? Are you suggesting that once people get to a certain age they have no business to be voicing their opinions or analysing situations? In which case, what are we all doing on Gnet? Is it an 'oldies' enclave where we can say what we think without annoying younger generations with our 'past their sell by date' thoughts?

She’s tenacious so if it is a short extension she will want to stay and nobody will change her mind on that. However a 2yr extension is a different matter, although, who would want the poisoned chalice if she did resign and would it make any difference.

Straightforward question which I expect a straightforward answer to, or have you got the same problem as all politicians have by never giving a straight answer, Anja ?

Yes she must go but unfortunately she won't she's so pigheaded, she's survived one attempt to get rid of her. I think she is the worst Prime Minister ever, I can't stand listening to her anymore she just tells one lie after the other how many times did she say we would leave on the 29th March, no deal was better than a bad deal and now she's pushing her bad deal. She's a serial liar ? someone please get rid of her or the Conservative Party is finished.

EV now there’s the kind of black sky thinking that got us into this mess in the first place.