Bercow

Rod Liddle writes in the Spectator that Bercow is now loved by Guardian readers, and he most Remainers in the public eye are deemed "brave". His response

www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/on-the-subject-of-john-bercow/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_content=230319_Weekly_Highlights_12&utm_campaign=Weekly_Highlights

"it is the Remainers trying every possible trick in the book to halt the process who are lauded.
Bercow is just the most visible symbol of the establishment using technicalities and chicanery to subvert the will of the people. Could I suggest that it is comparatively easy to be brave when you have the entire establishment behind you?"

Well said.

Grandad in the alternative universe that is GN only certain politicians have back stories - the ones that the posters disagree with.

Well, ALL MPs must have been very aware of the character of the person they were electing as speaker, as Following the 2017 general election, as Bercow was re-elected, again unopposed, as Speaker, on 13 June 2017. He is the first Speaker since the Second World War to be elected to the post three times.

He was elected unanimously to chair the House of Comnons procedures as he sees fit, and that he is doing.

No Beckett a second referendum would be asking about TM’s deal.

sylviemc

"Bercow is just doing his job with a little flamboyancy - when was that ever a problem in politics though - he is an entertaining and intelligent speaker who doesn't just toe the line - wonderful man"
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A wonderful man.!

Look up his early years and thoughts.

Named as an MP who 'Flipped' his home during the Expenses Scandle period.

What about the connection between Bercow and the Dame Laura Cox Inquiry into Bullying and Harrasment in Parliament and I don't mean just the allegations against Bercow himself that should have been investigated, I mean the subsequent handling of the findings and what some see as a total whitewash. How was that allowed to happen?

He called The Leader of the House ' A stupid woman' and reportedly ' f-----g useless'. Although he only admitted to calling her ' A stupid woman'. No wonder he let Corbyn off for doing the same thing.

He is tantamount to being a hypocrite who uses Parliamentary Convention accordingly to allign with his own personal view and on one hand he wants to be seen as a Progressive/Moderniser and overrides Parliamentary Convention to set ' New Precedent' but when it suits says he must abide by Parliamentary Convention from hundreds of years ago.

Bercow is rude, humiliates MP's by the use of sarcasm and ridicule and is most certainly NOT abiding by the code required to be Speaker. :-

' Speakers remain strictly NON - PARTISAN and renounce all affiliation with their former political parties when taking office and afterwards. The Speaker does not take part in debate or vote (except to break ties; and even then, the convention is that the speaker casts the tie-breaking vote according to Speaker Denison's rule). '

I have the opportunity to watch a lot of Parliament Live and both Deputy Speaker Labour MP Lindsay Hoyle and Deputy Speaker Conservative MP Eleanor Laing are by far better than Bercow, especially over the subject of bias and personal behaviour.

Entertaining is not what I consider to be a quality in the role of Speaker and that unfortunately is what Bercow is ' A Showman'.

You may not support a second referendum but many on here who support him are calling for it

Surely the second referendum would be asking the same question - stay or leave

Firstly a second referendum would NOT be asking the same question so no wonder you are confused.

Secondly Bercow was doing his job.

Thirdly I support his actions but not necessarily a second referendum so that blows your theory out of the water.

true I agree. beckett, and good morning too

I'm confused (easily done) - those supporting Bercow for denying the vote because it is asking the same question - are also supporting a second referendum which will be asking the same question as before

he is a great man I say and Treason Mayhem's deal is a remain deal. I voted out, leave no deal WTO. one week to go tomorrow.



love the friendly posts on here

Varian, I do not like the way his private life and indiscretions are flaunted, almost celebrated, he doesn't seem to have any embarrassment about any of it, goodness knows how the children have been. I do not think he does his job well, he divides instead of unites the House, and with that impish grin, seems to court disruption. Discretion is not a value he deems important in both his public and private
life. I do realise that people have different standards of what behaviour and approach to a job in the public eye means. I have never been a fan of Theressa May, however, I admire her integrity in trying to deliver a promise to the public, whether or not she agrees, that the Referendum decided. Thank goodness she has the strong support of her husband and community she lives in, I wouldn't think any job worth what she goes through each day and that takes tremendous commitment on her part. I do wonder how all this will effect her health and it wouldn't be a risk I would take with her health problems, that she never, ever mentions or play on.

Yes, halfgran Angela Eagle mentioned it last week.

As for 1912 - it was explained (gawd knows by whom as I've lost the plot) that it hasn't been invoked for the past 100 years as previous Parliamentarians knew that by convention you can't bring the same proposal back for a third vote.

Bercow didn't dredge it up, an mp (not sure who, maybe one of the Eagles) mentioned it during a debate and he thanked her for reminding him of it. It was also tabled for an amendment last week by someone but then withdrawn apparently.

Nothing wrong with my ‘tone and context’ at all.Bercow did dredge up the ruling from 1604, and did look mightily pleased with himself. Hope he can live with whatever his ruling produces.

Of course, Bercow knows absolutely nothing about Parliamentary procedure.


and of course, we both know he must do because, as lemongrove has posted, he has dredged up a ruling from 1604.

Perhaps you can cite the last time it was used varian, please (apart from by Bercow).
Don't worry - I just found it - it was 1912.

Is it time the procedures were updated or is this still a good ruling to be brought out every so often?

I must say that he looked mightily pleased with himself, like a schoolboy let off detention because he argued against the school rules and they were found wanting.

You don't have to like the man to respect the fact that he does his job well.

Well I truly am amazed that so many actually like the man and think he does his job well. I can't even watch him for more than a few minutes. We have had so many respectful and effective Speakers and I find it sad that he is the example our young people see and assume his behaviour is acceptable.

maryeliza

Lemongroves ' tone and context' was perfectly in order in my opinion.

I couldn't understand why she was challenged when my understanding chimed with hers. I couldn't follow why you posted this:-

'He has not dredged up an ancient rule from 1604 - your two posts in this vein show no understanding at all of the role of precedent or the role of Erskine May."

So by challenging another poster by saying they. ' show no understanding at all of the role of precedent or the role of Erskine May ' it naturally followed any other poster with the same view as Lemongrove in your opinion also had no understanding of Erskine May and Precedent and I asked you if we were wrong and asked why.

As your reply has not given any information I assume both Lemongrove and I are correct and your initial challenge had no substance or I am sure you would have set us straight.

Bercow is standing up for parliament in putting into place its own necessary controls which haven't been necessary for a very longtime because politicians mostly behaved with integrity, but this lot have behaved with complete idiocy and turned britain into a laughing stock internationally over Brexit which is the most pointless exercise ever, when we are all going to fry in a few years anyway because everyone is thinking Brexit is an important idea and is ignoring what really matters - changing the way we deal with our finance, industry equality and climate control - Bercow is just doing his job with a little flamboyancy - when was that ever a problem in politics though - he is an entertaining and intelligent speaker who doesn't just toe the line - wonderful man

(Irrelevant flying visit from spelling police duly noted!)

Scrabbling around trying to find MP's with any vestige of principle, ie who have been consistent, who are not looking for bribes, who are not manipulating an appalling situation in order to boost their business interests.

Bercow. Anna Soubry and other independents. Keir Starmer. SNP members. Some (Welsh) MP's.

Who would you trust to get us through this?

Tone and context POGS/lemon tone and context

The ruling may date back to 1604 but it has been invoked by Speakers many times since. The Speaker is the senior member of the House of Commons. He or she is elected by all the MPs and his or her duty is to ensure that the rules of parliament are observed.

As we have as minority government, Tories propped up by the DUP, it is particularly important that the Speaker stands up for the rights of MPs of all parties not to be bullied or bulldozed by the government into acting against what they judge to be the best interests of the British people.

maryeliza

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 12:16:49

" He has not dredged up an ancient rule from 1604 - your two posts in this vein show no understanding at all of the role of precedent or the role of Erskine May."
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Why are you challenging posters in your usual ' style' over the fact Bercow has been raising a point outlined by Erskine May which dates back to 1604.?

Was this not the case? Are we wrong?

Happy to be corrected, it is important to get facts right.

In my book there are no
ammendments or precidents.
Gordon Bennett...