Jeremy Corbyn

M0nica Men like Philip Green and Richard Branson?
Personally I preferred the landowners they did at least live in the country and they usually paid their taxes.

And when Blair came to power we had new schools built, numbers of doctors, nurses, teachers, police increase. Minimum wage, Sure Start and much more, yet some labour supporters dismiss these and want the seventies back.

The Tories have always had more money full stop.
When I was an active member of the LP we had a hard time affording the leafletting etc before a GE. While the Tories had their own very comfortable premises and and were well funded.
We met at eachothers houses, often ours.

Fennel were you active through the wilderness years ? That was the hardest of times in my experience but we kept battling . I recall in the summers meeting in a field, winter in church halls . One year my own home was HQ for a council election

Grandad

"Therefore, those grassroots members now have gained a full say in the running and policy-making of the Labour party, and I feel that they now see the party as theirs and that will not change even if the party do not win the next general election.

In other words, they say the party is ours, it will stay ours, and if the wider electorate do not like that and do not elect us, too bad, things will still remain the same."
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That's exactly what I have been posting for ages when I say the Jeremy for Leader/ Momentum Labour Party has taken over the Labour Party and holds all the nuts bolts and screws. When Corbyn took over as Leader the Jeremy for Leader / Momentum Labour Party was commonly known as ' the party within a party'.

It ain't now it Is the Party.

Funny how Corbyn supporters have denied that fact.

I think you sum so well why decent Labour voters who are not far left feel when they say they have become disillusioned with the Labour Party when you say :-

" If the wider electorate do not like that and do not elect us, too bad, things will still remain the same."

As you point out so well Corbyn, those that surround him, , Momentum and his followers new and ' returned' as Labour Members hold the power and decent Labour Voters can take a running jump as Corbyn has turned Labour away from being a Broad Church to one of the far left / Marxist ideology of the 70's / 80's.

Granddad1943

‘And if the wider electorate do not like that and do not elect us, too bad, things will still remain the same ‘

So sod the vulnerable ? This and racism is why I left the party, no true Labour supporter would say such a thing , proof it is no longer the Labour Party .

"The fact that the one section of the gutter press recently devoted twenty pages trying to destroy Corbyn both politically and personally demonstrates how fearful the establishment really are of Corbyn and his abilitility"
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Some of us have known about Corbyn and his comrades for years.

From the IRA / Brighton Bombing to date some of us have known where Corbyn stands. Corbyn has set his own pathway in history and the fact his past is catching up with him is a source of annoyance and hence the blame is apportioned to ' the gutter press'.

Corbyn has stood on a platform with the hammer and cickle behind him for decades and if he has proud of his political history why would the media telling his history be a concern?

crystaltipps Sun 24-Mar-19 06:56:35

"Jess Phillips, she was good on bake off, could be worse credentials."
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Jess Phillips went from hero to zero and is a target of Momentum Corbyn supporters.

POGS you continue to describe the Labour Party as far left based solely on the factthat some people within it have expressed Marxist views. The party as a whole abides by the manifesto produced for GEs. Please could you explain which of those policies you regard as hard left?

The longest suicide note in history , Gerald Kaufman 1983

www.economist.com/speakers-corner/2017/05/17/the-labour-party-raises-the-bar-for-electoral-suicide-notes

trish when did I suggest the change was for the better? Merely that there had at least been change.

As for the unions, union mmbership is 6.2 million down from 13 million in 1979, despite the huge growth in the Labour force and the high number in very insecure jobs. It strikes me that the unions, far from being representative of anyone other than a small proportion of workers - and most of those in the public sector are too caught up in politicing to do the daily under the headlines grind that helps people and gets new members. Not enough money or power in it.

It always amazes me that there is such criticism of Corbyn and his links with the IRA but that the Conservative and Unionist party (because so it remains) has not only links to but is visibly supported by the DUP, whose links to Loyalist paramilitaries are so many and so close it can scarcely be believed.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/27/troubled-past-the-paramilitary-connection-that-still-haunts-the-dup
Now personally I think there were faults on both sides, (although I am by instinct a believer in a united Ireland) and the best way forward is cooperation. But really this one sided condemnation of the past whilst the present is so murky is unbelievable!

Corbyn supported the IRA during the troubles

Lol Trisher it doesnt work that way. Its not either/or. Cons deals with the DUP have not been popular, & TM is hardly the nation's darling.

Your whataboutery is really reaching.

Corbyn is still awful. Cons being awful too doesnt make Corbyn less awful.

notanan2 I didn't say no-one liked the DUP. I said you never see their links, and therefore the Conservatives links,to paramilitaries and killings mentioned. Did you read the link? If you can find me a single post where someone condemns TM for getting into bed with a bunch of murdering loyalists,the way Corbyn is condemned for talking to the IRA I will donate £10 to a charity of your choice.

Anniebach DUP leader Arlene Foster recently met with a leader of the UDA days after the organisation is said to have murdered a man in front of his 3 year old son. Read the link. There are still killings.

trisher are you claiming the MP’s in the DUP ordered murders ?

You want a United Ireland , you live there ?

trisher if Arlene Foster recently met with a leader of UDA
can it not be her reason is the one we are given about Corbyn inviting IRA leaders to Westminster after the Brighton bombing , or attending a memorial service for an IRA member , ‘ he believes in talking to bring peace ?

Could be like Corbyn who sat next to an IRA member , Abbott explained ‘ he sat with him but he didn’t speak to him.

Annie I have already said that I am in favour of cooperation and working together. I think people talking to others really is the only way forward. My point is that if people want to use links with terrorist organisations to make judgements about politicians they should do so in a balanced way and not criticise one person and ignore others. So if you condemn Corbyn for something that happened years ago, condemn May for using a politician with terrorist links to hold up her government.

Forget the past, JC needs to go because he is not the right Leader for the Labour Party going forwards, he is in effect a stumbling block for non dyed in the wool would be Labour supporters

Annie no I was "active" ages before that. Late 60s early 70s.
We all called eachother brother so and so and thought nowt of it!

Pictures of him doing the pose next to Eric Morecambe is doing the rounds on the Internet. Anyone with half a brain would realise that it would be turned against him at such a time. He wrote on his FB page, with a photo of him posing with a nice Muslim family 'Today I was listening to people' ...
nothing wrong with that- but yesterday, he should have been in London, listening to 1 or 2 million of people for all over the UK, and British expats from all over the EU - and he was NOT. He could have gone to Morecombe any day. He was clearly avoiding London, with his fingers stuck in his ears- and quite frankly- sticking 2 fingers to anyone asking for a First Informed Referendum. Nuff aid.

POGS, in response to your post @ 14:07 today (24/03/29) I am pleased you agree with what I stated in my post @ 23:14 on the 23/03/19. However, I believe you over exaggerate when you state that "Labour is of far left / Marxist ideology of the 70's / 80's", which I feel is inaccurate in regards to the present day Labour party.

The parliamentary Labour party now reflects the long-held views of the broader Labour movement in the country which have been consistent over very many years. In that, those grassroots policies have always been to the left of the palimentery party, but compromise was always reached with past Labour governments. However, the Blair years ended the above when that three-term government administration did not revoke one section on the numerous anti-trade union bills brought forward by Thacher and Major, buttered up to the Bankers and launched the Iraq war.

The above set the scene for change in the Labour party with grassroots activists in the broader movement (especially the trade unions) becoming determined they would have a party that spoke for them into the future. The leadership of the Parliamentary party changed inline with the above with the election Jeremy Corbyn as leader which cemented the broader left polices the whole Labour movement is now signed up to.

The above polices are not in any way Marxist or Trotskyist as you state POGs, as they contain only two industries marked for re-nationalisation, that being the rail industry and water supply. That policy when placed in opinion poll canvasing seems to hold broad support with the electorate.

Other policies include bringing to an end the total disgrace of the Gig Economy, greater funding for schools and the NHS, greater regulation of private sector rented housing and the repeal of sections of the anti-trade union legislation brought in by the Thacher and Major administrations.

The above policies are not by any stretch of the imagination Marxist communist, and when asked in opinion polls many people state they would support such an agenda.

In the media this week it was reported that a very wealthy private landlord is evicting a large number of tenant families from their homes in the North of England simply because he and his wife "wish to retire." When that can happen in Britain today with no means of redress for those families, something is very wrong with our society.

The above is why the present Labour movement state they will maintain the above polices and further state those will not change even if the Labour party does not win the next general election.

And that's the way it should be I believe.

I joined the Labour Party because I liked Jeremy. I still like him, but I really want him to resign. I think he has completely messed up Brexit. Lovely man, shite leader.
But the Labour Party faithful love him.
Sir Keir Starmer would do well I think. I don’t think he’s arrogant. Wish he’d taken control a bit, but see that is difficult

Forget the past, JC needs to go because he is not the right Leader for the Labour Party going forwards, he is in effect a stumbling block for non dyed in the wool would be Labour supporters
In a nutshell Bridgeit

We are a different country now than 100 years ago.