Putting Humpty Dumpty together again

Crystaltipps For your information, although it is possible that some nice people live in Sunderland I am sure, it is a hotbed of far-right extremism. Google Sharon Binks.
The inhabitants also voted to leave the E.U. , despite being the recipients of large amounts of E.U. funding and despite this being the death knell for car production at the Sunderland Nissan plant, which is the main employer in the region.

What a pair of snobs you are trisher and janea.

I do not live in Sunderland, but there are some lovely areas and some not so nice areas, pretty much like everywhere else really.

Surely, it isn't just that remainers should accept that leavers are entitled to an opinion, the opposite is true too.

Which bit of my comment was snobbish, gilly?

The bit about Nissan, or the bit about Sharon Binks? Is she a friend of yours?

Crystaltipps For your information, although it is possible that some nice people live in Sunderland

oh I don't know janea which part do you think sounds snobbish?

You forget janea I don't have any friends and I have never heard of Sharon Binks ….. What a horrible thing to suggest that I might be friends with (in your words) "a right wing extremist".

I don’t think any of my comment is snobbish Gilly and if you dish out insults, don’t be surprised if you get one back.

I don't think my calling you (and trisher) snobs for what were clearly snobbish comment about the people of Sunderland, bears any comparison to you suggesting I might be friends with a right wing extremist janea which was uncalled for and nasty.

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I had never heard of Sharon Banks before, but going by this she sounds pretty good. m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtf6wnqS-So

Binks

I haven't heard of her either Gonegirl but according to janea, she is a "right wing extremist" so I have no desire to know her.

From what I've just read she campaigns for the rights of women and children against rape. Perhaps she has been branded far right extremist because of her fighting against the gangs who groomed young girls. (Because they were Muslim gangs and the young girls were white)

But, I mean, we know that happened don't we?

according to janea, she is a "right wing extremist" so I have no desire to know her

Assuming this is true of course.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/27/brexit-referendum-conservative-party

Have you seen this grannya? It says it all

I didn’t say Sunderland wasn’t nice - I’ve no idea, I’m sure there are nice bits like every where else, I just thought it would be a good capital of leave England/ Wales if London and Scotland went independent, could address the divisive political situation. This is obvs just a jokey suggestion, but U.K. has form for slicing up bits of countries.

But, I mean, we know that happened don't we?

I don't know what happened?

Cultural heritage shapes our identities and everyday lives

I love the mixture of my British culture and heritage and the way it is enhanced by the input from others.

Gonegirl I am of the same opinion. I hope we will all just get used to the fact that we are out of the EU and squabbling and bearing a grudge will be pointless.

Do you remember the days when it didn't matter whether you voted Conservative or Labour? Only those who had political ideologies cared.

We didn't hang on the every movement of particular politicians like we've done since the advent of social media. No one followed what went on in the HOC like we do today (although we are going through the most turbulent phase at the moment).

Life went on.

I think forums like this, in which we keyboard warriors express strong opinion, cause divides.

We'd tolerate others much more if we weren't aware of their politics. I like to think only those who bear grudges are of the 'hating' variety (as mentioned on the Brexit Good News thread today) and not many people are like that in face to face interaction.

Online squabbles tend to become blown out of proportion. I don't think the country is deeply divided. I have no idea of the political views of the people in my neighbourhood. My nearest neighbours are lovely and will remain that way, even if I find out they think differently from me in terms of politics or Brexit.

They are not grounds for enmity in my world.

Surely that depends very much on the effects Brexit will have - especially if No Deal. If the country prospers wonderfully, coffers become full and there is lots of money to spend on the NHS, education, social services and a whole array of wonderful things- if businesses all rush in to provide 1000s of jobs all over the UK, especially in Leave areas which have suffered terribly in the past 30+ years - then we will all have a group hug and a street party with lots of flags, and jelly and icre-cream and scones with clotted cream- and it will be all over.

But if things don't quite turn out as above ... then ?!?

As long as we don't continually 'pick the scab' I have no doubt that we the people of the United kindom will move on. Whats the alternative?

I think that sums it up Cherrytree.

Well said.

It will be interesting to note which groups in society become the scab pickers, won't it?

I get the feeling some people do not want peace and harmony but like grudges to fester and people to blame because things haven't gone to plan as they wanted them to. That has to be a societal shift.

Have the days of pulling together and making the best of what we have ended? Do we always have to have a scapegoat and be at each other's throats? It's no way to live.

We probably won't notice the difference jura.

If we don’t notice any difference- what would have been the point of all this turbulence.? We could have just stayed the same.

was NOT binding it was advisory only and yet we are following blindly down a route that can not only ruin our country financially

Hang on. Get it right.

Our MPs voted almost unanimously to trigger Article 50 and most prominent MPs including Corbyn and Starmer for Labour said they would back the result of the referendum. Pick an argument with your MPs, not Leave voters.

Mostly Scottish Nationalist Party MPs were against it.

From the Independent.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-parliament-mps-vote-brexit-theresa-may-eu-negotiations-labour-conservative-how-voted-a7558291.html

MPs have voted overwhelmingly in favour of Theresa May triggering Article 50, meaning the Prime Minister is on track to begin Brexit negotiations with Brussels in March

By 498 to 114 - a majority of 384 - MPs backed allowing the bill to progress to the next, more detailed legislative stage.

I think the country is deeply deeply divided between rich and poor and there is little or no social mobility.