Putting Humpty Dumpty together again

I wonder if we all realise, that this the second Brexit in which we as a nation have taken part. It took some time to settle last time but eventually we came through it and thrived as a country. Of course I am talking about the Tudor Brexit, when we threw over the rules of the catholic church in Europe and became a self determining country, making our own rules and keeping our own wealth within the country.

PGA girl. Yes and many people died because they were on the "wrong" side. Not quite an appropriate comparison. The divisions in this country will worsen after Brexit I think as politicians have failed to acknowledge the reasons behind many people's vote to leave. Divisions between the have and have nots will continue to widen.

Divisions between haves and gave nots were widening before brexit and not just in UK.
I expect that in the fullness of time we will resolve most things. We recovered from the wars (at much personal cost) so I expect this will be OK (not necessarily great though). One thing will change- parliament has made a mockery of democracy. The internal party splits and differences of opinion on all sides is just a shambles. All around I hear people saying 'FFS just get on with it!'. The next general election will be interesting.
Re reconciliation : referendums with only 50% required inevitably lead to fierce divisions and lasting animosity. The Scottish independence referendum is an example of this. The side that lost constantly wants to rerun it. Will they keep going until they get their way? It's a form of bullying and can only lead to further hostility. No more referendums unless 65% required for major change.

People can’t see further than the nose on their face without immigration this small country will flounder and this whole sorry mess can destabilise the whole of the EU
No one has ever told me what is so bad about the EU
I m afraid I don’t have a share in Gonegirls unicorns mine all ran away
I think it is going to take well beyond our generations demise to get back to where we were
It was only an advisory referendum so is breaking all democracy to make almost half the country plus a new generation coming up fast do something so detrimental as to shoot their own heads off

The main reason I voted Leave is because I don't like the idea of a United States of Europe. Each European country has its own identity and culture. The intention is to erode that (as is happening) and replace it with 'One State, One people). I think that would be a tragedy.

If the referendum result had been of a bigger percentage for either side, then it would have been accepted far more readily by everyone, and the aftermath far easier to deal with. All the Leavers who say they would have accepted the referendum if it had gone the other way are not, in my mind, aware of just how they would have felt. David Cameron let the country down by both having the referendum in the first place, and by allowing it to be a straight majority win. It should have been at least 60% in favour of one side. With it so close, it is going to take a very long time to bring about reconciliation. As for comparing it to Tudor times - well, the following few millenia didn't show much reconciliation for the Catholics! They didn't even get the vote until the late 18th century. I sincerely hope it doesn't take three hundred years or so to bring us together this time (but it just might).

Scotland, England, Wales and Nothern Ireland either together or separately have lived through far worse times.

Once Brexit is sorted one way or t'other, fuure events will become news.
Minds will quite quickly shift to what is affecting our Country at that particular time.

As long as we don't continually 'pick the scab' I have no doubt that we the people of the United kindom will move on.
Whats the alternative?

RosieLeah once again a mis-conception of what the EU is about. The lack of publicity given to EU initiatives and funding is partly responsible for the Brexit problem.The EU funds cultural events and in 2018 had the EU year of Culture.
The year will see a series of initiatives and events across Europe to enable people to become closer to and more involved with their cultural heritage. Cultural heritage shapes our identities and everyday lives. It surrounds us in Europe's towns and cities, natural landscapes and archaeological sites. It is not only found in literature, art and objects, but also in the crafts we learn from our ancestors, the stories we tell to our children, the food we enjoy in company and the films we watch and recognise ourselves in.
In other words the EU is preserving cultures that would otherwise be lost

JRM made a business decision, to protect those for whom, he acts financially.

Had we more who understood finance , and the world, the UK would not be in the fiscal mess that we are now in.

I am not one of his company’s clients, nor do I have more than modest means.

What saddens me is that there are people who can only bawl and shout from ignorance.

I remember that wonderful champion of egalitarian socialism, Anthony Wedgewood Benn, who died leaving £5 million sovereigns and six pence.

How much inheritance tax was paid by his sons ?.......six pence,

Did you shout hypocrite , then ?

No. I thought not.

Actually in business, you do what your patrons tell you to do. It's a pity many of our politicos don't grasp this simple survival principal.

PGAgirl did we have a vote on that one?

I was saddened when we voted to leave the EU and, if I had the opportunity I would vote Remain again in a heartbeat; however what concerns me most is the time and resources that are being devoted to Brexit while the services that keep people safe and well are being quietly dismantled around us.

PGAgirl have you forgotten that Henry 8th’s reign was marked by the Dissolution of the monasteries and the persecution of Catholics which persisted for hundreds of years?

trisher
^once again a mis-conception of what the EU is about. The lack of publicity given to EU initiatives and funding is partly responsible for the Brexit problem.The EU funds cultural events and in 2018 had the EU year of Culture.
The year will see a series of initiatives and events across Europe to enable people to become closer to and more involved with their cultural heritage. Cultural heritage shapes our identities and everyday lives. It surrounds us in Europe's towns and cities, natural landscapes and archaeological sites. It is not only found in literature, art and objects, but also in the crafts we learn from our ancestors, the stories we tell to our children, the food we enjoy in company and the films we watch and recognise ourselves in.
In other words the EU is preserving cultures that would otherwise be lost^
Each country has its own rich culture and history each displaying the same for centuries before the EU deemed what was appropriate to display and where and using taxation from the workers of countries which may not have been adequately represented.

How to heal the division? I’ve an idea.

Remainers need to stop insulting people who view the world differently to themselves. Brexiteers are people with a perfectly legitimate opinion, remainers need to acknowledge that and accept a democratic decision didn’t go their way, it happens.

Joelsnan the problem of the loss of cultures is not caused by the EU. It is the result of the influence of American and British media which have flooded countries with material. The homogenous lifestyle which results loses the individual characteristics of those countries. The EU spends money supporting and developing traditional culture so that it is not lost for ever. At they same time they provide opportunities for countries to develop and build their own cultural organisations. The fact that something has existed for centuries does not guarantee its future.

Those who say “we survived the war” forget the millions who didn’t survive. It’s a totally insulting analogy. As for “we survived the reformation”....words fail.

urmstongran your reply is a prime example of how to increase division. You obviously truly believe “insults” are only one way, but maybe that is not the reality for others.

Crystaltips very good posts
urmstrong your last post says it all, it s playground talk Do you not realise there is NO democracy in a referendum that was not only unnecessary but was NOT binding it was advisory only and yet we are following blindly down a route that can not only ruin our country financially, ruin any standing we have in the world, destabilised our relationship with NI, destabilised the EU itself and leave us in economic decay for decades and for what
What did EU ever do wrong for us?

Urmstongran
Are you aware that the 'man of the people' Tony Benn shut off the public footpath ( part of the sea wall) in front of his house, Stansgate Abbey Farm so that that hoi polloi couldn't see into the front garden.

petra your post re TB is a lie.

I think the possible shortage of staff in our hospitals is worrying, but I do not think that will clause civil unrest or bad relations in communities.

There is already of shortage of people to pick daffodils. Worrying but possibly not riot causig.

This thread is developing into he said/ she said and that wasn’t the intention at all was it? Maybe the only solution is to annex part of the country as the Brits did in NI. London could be a city state within the EU, it’s bigger than lots of independent countries, the rest of England and Wales could leave and be happy on their own with Sunderland as the new capital. Scotland independent as well.

^Sunderland as the new capital. ^- have you ever been there crystaltipps???
In that case please can we move Hadrian's wall south a bit and I'll be in Scotland.