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Brexit-what else?

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Mollygo Wed 27-Mar-19 09:01:35

Just joined GN and I thought this would be the place to ask. On the news today I heard them talking about getting rid of Mrs May and getting a “proper brexiteer”.
What’s one of those?

varian Fri 26-Apr-19 11:49:44

Jeremy Corbyn is facing a fierce backlash from Labour members after a draft leaflet for the European elections said the party would press ahead with Brexit.

The leaflet, passed to HuffPost UK, makes no mention of the party’s policy to push for a second referendum on quitting the EU, was sent out to MEPs on Thursday.

One Labour insider said: “MEPs were not given these leaflets to review, they were just told: this is what the party is printing and this is what they would have to put out.”

The leaflet claims the party will seek a “better deal with Europe” which ensures the UK has “a say on trade deals”, while also underlining party policy on domestic issues.

It has left the party’s pro-EU membership furious and dismayed, with one activist telling HuffPost UK: “In what will be an utterly polarised election, standing in the middle will be a bad move.”

HuffPost UK also understands that staunch pro-European former minister Lord Adonis, who is standing for Labour in the South West region, was forced to sign a ‘loyalty’ statement or face being blocked as an MEP candidate.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fury-as-corbyn-euro-elections-leaflet-suggests-labour-backs-brexit_uk_5cc1e94be4b031dc07ef6b3a?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Apr-19 11:21:59

Something out leave voting population might like to consider

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/960953/Brexit-news-donald-trump-NHS-freeloading-UK-pay-more-drugs-post-brexit-prescription-prices

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Apr-19 08:30:28

Robert Peston reporting

International commission of Labours policy forum have voted UNANIMOUSLY for a confirmatory referendum.

This will be included in the manifesto.

MaizieD Mon 22-Apr-19 13:53:23

Have you a link to the source for this, varian?

It's pretty staggering, isn't it?

varian Mon 22-Apr-19 12:47:01

Not all Leavers are the same. Not all Remain voters are the same, but there is an interesting pattern in their answers to these questions, which says a lot about the attitudes of those most likely to go one way or the other.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 19-Apr-19 21:00:49

?

jura2 Fri 19-Apr-19 20:56:50

And that is why they don't want a confirmatory vote- because they know that.

varian Fri 19-Apr-19 18:30:38

Leave 42%

Whitewavemark2 Fri 19-Apr-19 17:09:46

A reminder

Remain. 58%

Leave 48%

Dinahmo Fri 19-Apr-19 13:49:56

WW - thank you for posting that info from mumsnet. I guess some of us are aware of those facts but it is obvious that some on here have no idea whatsoever

varian Thu 18-Apr-19 18:49:58

Brilliant contrast of what our poor little isolated country could be with the effectiveness of the other 27 countries working together for the common good.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 18-Apr-19 18:12:14

A little bit of information

www.mumsnet.com/uploads/talk/201904/large-869045-57908921-1388962974579551-1063652975886467072-n.jpg

Urmstongran Thu 18-Apr-19 17:31:25

Ah right WW

EU Referendum Voting Intention:
Worked well last time.
Pollsters eh?

Didn't even Paddy Power take a hit?

Nonnie Thu 18-Apr-19 16:39:50

WW but the MPs won't listen. The country is divided and people feel strongly so why not give the electorate the choice? I don't want parliament to decide to remain, too divisive, I think the only way to heal the country is to let us choose either a deal or to remain. Anything else is not only undemocratic but politically stupid.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 18-Apr-19 15:56:20

Huge lead now for remain.

Remain 58%

Leave 42%

Source electionmapsuk.

varian Thu 18-Apr-19 13:46:26

Leavers seem to believe either that there is no Irish border problem or that a magic "technical solution" exists. This is not true.

news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/technological-solution-to-irish-border-issue-could-be-a-decade-away-says-home-office-document-11696337?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Ftechnological-solution-to-irish-border-issue-could-be-a-decade-away-says-home-office-document-11696337

Nonnie Thu 18-Apr-19 10:22:13

Not read all the posts, sorry if this has already been seen. Talking of lies, or maybe misunderstandings, I saw this this morning: www.facebook.com/Fibbymcfib/photos/a.779485012151166/1771590619607262/?type=3&eid=ARAkunQKZ9bIQ6bs6pzt2mby1J7iYI9tuMV7mH6gKHuS8fpWeVQWzJmhKbZAqEVMHcFz0OhDPj2zqp82&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAp80z2FBuFndeBgpB05dPQ-t2qN2FEsYv0tZdId6-MyXwrVqvUrfh1mGjmCkedGtucQeA5rf45pCW325Rrsox0eC9vDwSBsJ1nJ-ItBSPeLgvxpIlVdb6eLuLenUpDSCBIK23R1qKE2Keyf4lkOBASVInXALBd1AGmhNZacB3P-iTiZwlId25YPyMxDxuCm0a_urgDsy4f3NlI77qykPIxWuP1pRp92oy2tM6ZJ17V_lDSSVpM22GzkLWpcCxCnxnWLLkBoDYEbx2JMFAk3b8dUD_kOKOaCZgEn3B8bnShA0OF_jR76-nlGtvZxqVZuitXiPDdEeU3GYM5qCvJ-xQ0cVQYD535rKMofZN6go-UFUja&__tn__=EEH-y.g

The point which keeps coming up is that laws are made by unelected bureaucrats which is not the case.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 17-Apr-19 21:03:14

I think you are right sadly MaizieD but the lies are unraveling. We are now seeing how unlikely a trade deal is with the USA as Varian reports and also hearing that the miracle boarder we were promised by the Brexiteers would not be ready for 10 years. Limbo or remain. I know which I think is better.

varian Wed 17-Apr-19 19:38:20

Nancy Pelosi: No US-UK trade deal if Brexit risks Good Friday accord

www.politico.eu/article/nancy-pelosi-no-us-uk-trade-deal-if-brexit-risks-good-friday-accord/

MaizieD Wed 17-Apr-19 17:55:35

Sorry, I tell a lie. One Leaver has expressed concern about this.

MaizieD Wed 17-Apr-19 17:54:42

Excellent post, at 17.40 GGMK3.

But I've found that the Leavers on here really don't really care much about this attack on democracy. It's the winning that counts for them, not the methods used to 'win'.

varian Wed 17-Apr-19 17:45:36

Anyone who still doubts the subvertive influence of social media should listen to this TED talk by investigative journalist Carole Cadwalladr

www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy

GracesGranMK3 Wed 17-Apr-19 17:40:30

Microtargeting may well have done Jura.

1. It violates the privacy of the citizen
2. It violates the citizen's freedom to arrive at their own considered judgement and decision
3. It allows a small number of actors control of information
4. It is opaque giving voters limited control over the information and advertisements with which they are targeted.

Very little research has been done in the UK. Much more in the USA.

jura2 Wed 17-Apr-19 12:50:40

www.facebook.com/TED/videos/284604449134599/

has social media forever undermined, or even destroyed, Democracy? And yet when people now know what happened, the denial is incredible.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 17-Apr-19 12:26:27

ERG clash with American representatives

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/us-politicians-and-brexiteers-clash-on-concocted-border-issue-1.3862750?mode=amp