Dominic Grieve

I do not swear or encourage others to swear but I can understand the sentiment.

Varian
You obviously missed the post by maryeliza54 on March 20th where she called Teresa May * a mad goady fucker*
Anything to say?

She is spot on - watch videos of the march 2 weeks ago and the one on Friday- it is there, for all to see.

Jalima
Yes, reason has long fled from Varian’s posts, we get inflammatory nonsense now.

Now before anyone accuses me of saying all leave voters are yobs, let me make it clear that I am not. I think most leave voters are also law abiding folk, but it is quite clear that people who want to swear, threaten and attack others voted leave.

So, all you Grannetters who voted leave, please do NOT post on that sweary thread. However, perhaps don't worry, remainers will never look at that thread anyway (apart from me).

Apparently FIVE people were arrested on that march so please, please, be careful when out and about in case these five are released and cause trouble.

think most leave voters are also law abiding folk, but it is quite clear that people who want to swear, threaten and attack others voted leave.
For goodness' sake, varian, you make me embarrassed to have voted remain with ridiculous comments like that.

Made me sick to my stomach and really upset and concerned for my daughters and grandchildren
Oh no, were they there and caught up in it all jura? Or were they caught up in the go slow on the motorways?

I hear there could be more protests, so best keep aware of what may be happening.

There may be Ukip yobs and Momentum yobs but it is quite striking that there are so many pro-brexit aggressive yobs and this is not a problem on the Remain side. In spite of there being a record number of marchers on 23rd March, there were no arrests, and there was not a highly visible police presence, presumably because the police knew from experience that the anti-brexit campaigners were peaceful, law abiding folk.

Contrast that with yesterdays' demo - far fewer participants, yet more police needed to be deployed because of the yobbish behaviour of brexiters attacking the police, journalists, camera crews and trying to break into Downing Street..

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/brexit-supporters-clash-with-police-at-march-with-five-arrested-on-day-brexit-supporters-clash-with-a4104911.html

Now before anyone accuses me of saying all leave voters are yobs, let me make it clear that I am not. I think most leave voters are also law abiding folk, but it is quite clear that people who want to swear, threaten and attack others voted leave.

Talking about yobs- the behaviour of far too many, at the pro Brexit, or rather anti EU march last Friday- was just disgusting, scary and totally like the nazi marches of the realy 30s. Made me sick to my stomach and really upset and concerned for my daughters and grandchildren - compare it to the much much larger march of a week before where there was not ONE incident, despite the 1 million + (+++). Families, children.

Whether its Ukip or Momentum, both sides of the coin have their yobs!!!

Exactly * Jabber* whenever I watch PMQ I always find myself remarking to DH that the Tory beaches are THE absolute model of behaviour towards the benches opposite. What is fair comment is that they should ALL behave better but the bar is set very low. However, the behaviour at DG’s constituency meeting did shock me and was redolent of scenes we saw on Friday.

Bit like labour MP's in the H of C screaming at Mrs May!!

Perhaps future manifestos should make it perfectly clear that they are, it would seem now only advisory, and that your MP can in fact change their minds as they see fit. So don't ever be persuaded dear voter by warm sympathetic words from your would be MP, but instead be wary that, for example, when a pledge no less was given to deliver brexit, you should have aware that this was, in reality, 'maybe, maybe not,' and voted with that in mind!

A shocking video of part of the meeting of his Conservative Association shows the stark contrast between the intelligent well informed MP and the boorish Tories shouting "liar" and "traitor".

It is so important that louts like these, whether they are in the Tory Party, UKIP, BNP, EDL or even the Labour Party are not allowed to threaten and bully the decent majority in this country.

news.sky.com/video/dominic-grieve-accused-of-brexit-betrayal-as-he-loses-confidence-vote-11679942

The manifesto is a starting point though isn’t it, not a finishing point - a statement of intent not an end point written in stone? In any given policy scenario, not just Brexit, situation develop and change, outside influences may impact the situation and what constituents wanted may no longer be viable or possible. An MP has to have to have some sense then of what’s best for the country alongside what might be a change in his party’s policy position.

Don't voters vote for the manifesto? I always thought that was how it worked; the parties publish their manifestos and the voters vote for the candidate of the party whose manifesto they like best. If that's so it eliminates your second suggestion, maryeliza54.

I rather think the interests of the country is the trump card, though it might be argued that what is set out in the manifesto is what the party thinks would be in the best interests of the country.

Interesting question.

I’m confused - there are 3 possibilities which may or may not coincide. What an MP thinks is best for the country, what the constituency voted for ( however marginally) and what the party manifesto promised. Which is the trump card?

Has Dominic Grieve actually stated that Britain should now ignore the referendum and remain in Europe?

I believed he was campaigning for Britain leaving the EU with a comprehensive trade agreement, which is Tory party policy (I think).

However, I stand to be corrected in any of the above

EllaKeat - exactly - courage, a back bone, intelligence and humanity- let's get rid.

Ah, bless he was probably saving us from ourselves as we obviously didn’t know what we had voted for.

It was his mission to put us straight.
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Exactly Urmstongran !
He stands for his Party ( manifesto etc) and at least half of his constituents voted to Leave.
But he knows better...?
The arrogance of some MP’s is staggering.

Or just having the clout to have his own opinion count more?

Yes, lets just get rid of an intelligent, principled, honest and courageous man because he does not follow party orders like a sheep, but does what he was elected to do - represent his constituents.
Yes, half of them voted 'the other way', but he was elected to do what he thought best served his constituents.
Well done him for having a backbone.

Erm.. because of the Tory party manifesto that promised to abide by the result of the referendum?

Good on Osborne. Grieve's constituency voted just about 50%/50% in the Referendum, with a tiny majority for Leave- and he is fully aware that many have changed their mind. So how is he not representing his Constituents anyhow?

Now George Osborne is all over Twitter telling Conservative Party HQ to suspend the Beaconsfield Tory Association and therefore stop them from de-selecting Grieve.

He is bragging that he and Cameron used to prevent de-selections all the time using this method.

Honestly no wonder the ordinary man in the street doesn’t have a voice.
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