Appalling news about Brexit

Excellent post Day6.

@MargaretX
I'm afraid there has been such a drive in the mainstream media to portray the EU as our enemy that it has led to palpable hatred so that any calm and rational discussion about its faults and its benefits is now impossible, and Tusk's offer will simply be dismissed as 'interfering' or the EU 'telling us what to do'.
As for violence emanating from the Leave side - they assure us it is a small, unimportant minority. We'll see.
So thanks Mr Tusk - for offering a sensible option - but your good intention will only earn you a verbal slap in the face from those who see you as the foe, and the author of all our woes. And it will, of course, enrage the more febrile elements. Fortunately, I don't see them posting on Gransnet - maybe in this respect, older really is wiser.
And so, another day in Westminster - where the politicians from BOTH sides will continue to put Party and self-interest first... using the "will of the British people" - when it suits their argument.

Donald Tusk wants to let the UK off gradually and offer them a whole year to decide on what they want.

After all the best deal the UK ever had was to be in the EU. Nothing better will follow but it should be done without violence.

It is being said on some social media that FOs tag also carries a 7pm - 7am curfew.

She was in the HofCs at 11pm, if the curfew is correct does that mean that her vote is not valid, and that as she could have broken parole/tag conditions she should be recalled to prison?

I am not trying to be awkward just genuinely interested to find out?

Thank you Day6.

There were two items of news yesterday that demonstrate yet again why it matters about the right wing racist factions amongst the Leave camp. Leaked emails have proved UKIP led entryism into DG’s constituency party and secondly NF’s Brexit party has lost another official for online support of TR. Anyone who makes light of this racist element of Leave is really underestimating the danger they pose. It doesn’t matter how many ‘nice’ people voted Leave - it matters what their leaders are upto.

I agree that the far right EDL/ football thugs are using Brexit as a vehicle for their hate campaigns but that doesn’t mean we should tolerate them. Of course most leave voters would disassociate themselves from their open abuse and violence, but that message of “ not in my name”needs to be loud and clear. The fact that TR is now part of UKIP should be of concern. The fact that such a hateful minority get headlines and are able to give speeches in Parliament Square means they attract publicity they do not deserve. Too many willing to be apathetic and “I’m not worried I’m sure I’ll be able to get my favourite cheap stuff” illustrates a head in the sand mentality.

@GabriellaG54
Your response simply proves my point.

Last sentence the

Robinson and EDL are not representative of the leave vote, but are often trotted out by those against leaving the EU as an example of those wanting to leave!!!

ALL THE TIME. Normal, peace loving people who voted to leave are nothing like those thugs, who are a small minority of hateful people.

There are many and various reasons for people wanting to get out of the EU (all over the continent of Europe too) and Remainers still seem to take great pleasure in sneering (still) and mentioning a thuggish faction which is not representative of anyone I know who voted Leave or typical of any small town in the UK.

Most of our neighbours are Leavers and are as nice a bunch of people, from all backgrounds, ages and professions, as anyone could wish to meet.

Ordinary people are very angry at the ruling liberal elite who are doing all in their power to stop Brexit.

The democracy is in a coffin. It's dead.

And I didn’t say whether or not I thought it was acceptable or not for an MP to have a criminal conviction - I said that she was legally entitled to be sitting as an MP - there is a difference. I have this rather odd affection for the rule of law and due process and am able to separate out the importance of adhering to those from my feelings about what the person has done.

Recemtly a doctor at a local NHS Trust was found guilty of assault by beating and possession of class A drugs. He therefore has two criminal convictions. He has been suspended by the MPTS for six months and then he is going back to work as a doctor. This is just one example - there are many others for doctors, nurses, dentists, social workers, etc etc etc. If I post something as a FACT on GN then it is a FACT. It is a FACT that it is possible to be employed as a regulated professional with a criminal conviction.

Maryeliza, sigh, you’re wrong.

Plus, are you honestly arguing that it’s absolutely fine for our lawmakers to have a criminal conviction? Do you really support having MPs with criminal convictions? Surely we should expect the very best quality of person if we are going to put them into such a privileged position. There is always an outcry, quite rightly, when MPs make legitimate claims on expenses which we feel is really poor form. Can anyone seriously suggest, given this as background, that we allow convicted criminals to serve in the HofC and make laws which require us, the public, to behave in certain ways, whilst they themselves are unable to do so. Frankly, anyone who agrees with such a thing, has a very unbalanced way of looking at things. I’m truly astounded!

maddy <sigh> . I understand the word criminal thank you very much. You are WRONG.

Not CRIMINAL Maryeliza, I’m afraid you’re misinformed.

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vigdis
Nowhere did I dismiss concerns re violence but they are a recurring theme in virtually every post by certain posters, not limited exclusively to crystaltipps granted but in almost every one of their recent posts.
I'm sure that the above named poster does not need a mouthpiece and is quite able to voice their views on my comment.
It did not mention you.
I'm as entitled to be optimistic as pessimism does no-one any favours either. Glass half full or half empty is still only a glass half filled with liquid.
Whatever the outcome, you, I and everyone else is going to have to deal with the result so there's no use worrying about it.
I assume (according to previous posts) that many business owners have taken what steps they can to mitigate any fallout regardless of the deal.
Your concerns are not my concerns and vice versa so there is no reason why I should be worrying about something which is nothing to do with me?
I'm not worried about Tesco ir Waitrose supplies nor whether H&M will have my favourite styles of clothing in stock.
They pay staff to do their worrying/thinking.
They have to get stock somehow otherwise they don't have a business.
Yes...no deal suits me but staying in suits you.
Who's to say what the other should think or wish for.
Are you thinking of me? No. Nor am I thinking of you.

And so can barristers, teachers, social workers etc etc etc

maddy you are wrong. Doctors, for one, can and do practice with criminal convictions - it all depends on the crime. You are just wrong - I really know what I am talking about here.

Maryeliza, my daughter is a doctor, my son is a barrister, my other son works in finance, and myself and my husband were teachers. None of us would have been able to practice with a criminal conviction. The key word here is criminal. I don’t really know about other professions. Surely we should expect the same standards of our law makers Maryeliza? Or don’t you agree?

Tuppnce
That's odd as he had only written Hi on his comment...the one which has been deleted. It was still there when I wrote my 'Welcome' comment.

@Gabriella54
crystaltipps is not obliged to run withyour happy optimism. Your breezy dismissal of other's concerns about violence doesn't convince everyone that all will be well.
There have been too many instances of verbal and physical abuse of foreigners, and the perpetrators were not all EDL thugs on a demonstration. The attacks were random and comitted by your man-in-the-street... possibly emboldened by the rhetoric of the likes of TR et al.
You are entitled to be cheerful and happy at the prospect of a No Deal but I think you should realise that for some of us, this is going to cause a problem - me, for a start. Our consultancy business on which we rely financially is already taking a hit - OK, that's life, but the way you dismiss everyone's concerns because No Deal suits you is peetty galling.

The fascist thugs may be everywhere , but doesn’t mean they should be tolerated and unchallenged.

A bit late with the welcome GG - he has been deleted.