another transgender surprise.

Bring critical of the concept of gender of course.

And what's a "burner" email address?

Ah well - I was brought up in a world that was not gender critical so I was subject to many of the stereotypical manifestations of masculinity and femininity which I’ve had to try to address.

What the flip is "gender critical" when it's at home?

maryeliza54 - forgive me if I am failing to understand here, but by being gender critical you don't have any inner concept of being feminine/masculine? That sounds very liberating.

SueDonim - The Green's are not on my political radar so I wan't aware of that. I suppose it is accurate, in a 1984 newspeak manner, but it is ridiculous!

Yes, I'm aware of that, Callistemon. In this particular case, as I understand it, the poster used a 'burner' email address and only made three posts so it's unlikely MN has any more info on them.

Thanks for being open to discussion Granny but no I can’t accept that definition either as I’m gender critical. I am a woman, adult human female.

Goodness yes, ' cis-woman' makes me see red, too, as does the Green Party's 'men and non-men'. It's pure mysogyny, an attempt to erase all those pesky women.

Good call there maryeliza54 - a better explanation would have been that cis denotes a person whose current gender identity matches the sex assigned to them at birth.

On a side note, I googled 'gender critical' because I wasn't sure if you had coined the phrase as a wry comment, or whether it was actually a 'thing'. It led me to a sub reddit that looks really interesting, so thanks for that (whether intended or not!)

SueDonim
MN and GN will have your email address, your IP address and, if you have entered any competitions, your postal address. Presumably these are held on record.

notanan I didn't see any of your deleted posts, only those left on here I think it is vitally important that people understand the implications of this and other cases

As far as I am concerned the implications are far is our data protected and whether or not we should be able to have complete freedom of speech within the constraints of the law.
Who decides what is hateful? A person who has been hurt or a judge?
Is that what you meant?

The issue Granny is that I’m
Gender critical - I had a sex at birth not a gender. Gender is a social construct

SalsaQueen - I don't see it as political correctness at all. In situations where one might want to use a gender descriptor for oneself, it is far better than saying 'normal' 'natural' or 'biological' female or male.

Each to his or her own however

Thanks for your views TerriBull and Maryeliza54.

You both obviously are familiar with the term and what it means, but for those who are not, the word 'cis' comes from Latin and simply means 'on the side of' as opposed to 'trans' meaning 'on the other side'. It is just another way of saying that one's current gender is the same as at birth.

As for women and girls not being familiar with the term, well when I was at school, descriptors such as 'cis' 'binary' 'non-binary' 'intersex' 'neutrois' etc were unheard of. But this is the great thing about our language and vocabulary - it is ever expanding. And today we find ourselves with so many choices in how we would like to be identified as, should we so choose.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/10/neoliberalism-freedom-control-privatisation-state

It's political correctness gone raving mad!

I can't for the life of me imagine what cis means and no, I haven't Googled it as I don't something like that in my search history.

notagran good for you to express your views. Which I tend to agree with.
Though my reason is slightly different. I fear the gradual legal encroachment into freedom of speech.
Shades of 'Big Brother'.
There's a good article about this in the Guardian today by George Monbiot. Can't find the link.

Thanks for that Terri that word brings down the red mist - I regard it as hate speech against women I really do

"Everyone is asked to do it whether trans or cis" I don't wish to pick an argument but can we refrain from using that spurious term "cis" it's nonsensical, most women/girls won't have heard of it. I don't see why we females, over 50% of the population, have to redefine ourselves, surely women and transwomen is enough of a distinction.

To SueDonim - there is a case for anonymising a criminal record by removing gender-specific identifiers, in order to protect the individual, if that person has changed gender and is not 'out' to their employer. This is not expunging the record, just rendering it gender neutral.

One might attempt to deny criminal responsibility having changed gender, however it would not stand up in court.

Well, that's quite a bit of time wasted!

P.s. thank you GN for your promt response to my requests for deletion. I hope I left them there long enough to prompt the posters on this thread to look and think a bit deeper into what is going on.

Even if you will NEVER agree with my take on this. Precidents are being set. Find out then draw your own conclusions fully informed.

Oh please, shall we not have those threads?

I have asked for my posts to be deleted. I think it is vitally important that people understand the implications of this and other cases. And encourage you ALL to google and read around the issues for yourselves.

I do not want the police at my door for discussing the legal precidents set by a prolific figure, even though this is allready all in the public domain.

I do not regret raising awareness of issues, but I have to think of my own safety too.

I will see you all on other generic threads about general issues around the "crime" of "deadnaming" etc. Where the risk of doxing and harassment is still there, but less heightened.

It is a difficult position to be in, on the one hand not being comfortable with not standing up for what is happening to other women, and on the other hand needing to protect oneself.

I am in awe and gratitude to the women who are willing to be publically gender critical, despite the bullying and harassment they suffer for it.