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Visit of Trump

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maddyone Tue 23-Apr-19 23:43:50

Well Trump has been invited by those at Buckingham Palace to come to Britain for an official state visit. So we can all forget about Brexit, and stop wringing our hands in dismay at Farage and his antics, and we can turn our attention towards a new fashion, hating Trump.

Discuss.

lemongrove Wed 24-Apr-19 14:24:52

MaizieD you must be talking about another poster and not Urmstongran as I have read her posts and there is nothing, nada, zilch about liking him ( let alone loving him!)
I do wish posters would get their facts right instead of jumping in with both feet.
Maryeliza I actually do think it matters that DT was democratically elected, and of course they can be criticised,
What leader isn’t in democratic countries?
At the same time, the government of the day has a right to invite him here, and the populace ( if they so wish) have a right to go and stand and yell ‘boo, hiss’ as he passes by.

Mycatisahacker Wed 24-Apr-19 14:30:14

Has anyone actually said they like trump?? Who would?

Nothing to do that is it? It’s about D day celebrations that should he all s out remembering the allies dead not screaming insults at the current temporary president.

Mycatisahacker Wed 24-Apr-19 14:31:48

Kitty

Not you and the type that corrects others spellings.,annoying grin

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 14:33:17

‘Screaming insults’ what a silly comment

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 14:37:32

Some posters seem to think that because he was democratically elected we shouldn’t criticise him or demonstrate against him, that’s quite clear. The fact of how he was elected is utterly irrelevant as to whether he is criticised or not. It’s what he does, says and stands for that is criticised.

KatyK Wed 24-Apr-19 14:44:19

Lots of members of our family think Trump is the best thing since sliced bread. I don't get it myself. Nannytopsy The best placard I saw last time was Melania - blink three times if you need help

Urmstongran Wed 24-Apr-19 14:46:30

It was said at the time he was voted in as POTUS that many people were sick of duplicitous politicians.

Remind anybody of anything going on here?

Jane10 Wed 24-Apr-19 14:51:20

One good thing about UK politicians is that they are absolutely not like him!

M0nica Wed 24-Apr-19 15:28:40

maryliza you completely misunderstood my post. I was talking about respect for the concept of the President of the United States, which is the title given to the post of being leader of that country, which played in WW2, but that post is over 200 years old and continues regardless of who is the incumbent. However I have utter contempt for the man now holding that post and deeply regret that such a draft dodging denigrater one of his countries greatest heroes, should hold that post at this commemoration.

It is possible to respect the official position while holding one of its holders in utter contempt.

AlisonKF Wed 24-Apr-19 15:41:43

Could Anja update us on how the visit of her Trump supporting relatives went after the event? She could also buy a range of British newspapers for them to read while they are over here.

123coco Wed 24-Apr-19 15:47:02

It’s not Maj who has invited him. Unfortunately for her and everyone else who has to meet this loathsome man, it’s Mrs May Who invites her to states and let’s not fool ourselves it’s all about trade deals. Welcome to chlorinated chicken. He will not be staying at Buck house apparently thank goodness, as he would just complain about there not being any gold plated taps. How will he cope without any cheeseburgers and the state banquet . Poor guests what are they going to talk to him about ? He has about a vocabulary of 20 words and the consist of Russia , collusion , lock , crooked , Hillary , up , horrible , Obama, Putin, big, biggest, best , great, , beautiful etc

123coco Wed 24-Apr-19 15:49:16

Jane10. I think Boris J is very much like him but with a greater vocabulary! Both baiting populism to their own ends !

NannyC2 Wed 24-Apr-19 16:14:59

You may agree or disagree about Trump, but apparently he has got many things right....such as ...

Created millions of new jobs (the White House claims as many as 3 million) and brought unemployment down to 3.9 percent, the lowest since 2000.

Began a dialogue with North Korea about ending its nuclear weapons program.

Taking on the news media and not backing down - exposing bias and agenda-driven journalism

Moved the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

Pulled the United States out of the Iranian nuclear deal.

Stood up to NATO countries for not contributing enough money to cover the organization’s expenses and their own defense costs.

Targeting the ruthless Salvadoran street gang MS-13.

Focusing attention on Rust Belt states and giving respect to white working-class voters, overlooked by the elites on both coasts.

Challenging elitism and questioning what it means to be “elite.”

Focusing national attention on the opiod crisis, including a look at doctors who over prescribe pain pills.

Proposing and helping pass a tax cut and cutting federal regulations.

Renegotiating unfair trade deals in search of better terms.

Targeting racial preferences at colleges and universities, which often hurt intended beneficiaries by lowering standards.

Shaking up both the Republican and Democratic establishments and remaining independent from the Washington cartel.

Making politics more accessible to people who have rarely voted or cared about it, and widening the door of civic engagement.

Pulling out of the Paris Agreement on climate change and defying global warming alarmists.

More than Facebook & Twitter, Google threatens democracy, online freedom

Put an intense focus on immigration, the importance of border security and the cost of illegal immigration, including U.S. citizens killed by the undocumented.

Done more for poor Americans in a year and a half than all the rhetoric of Barack Obama in his eight years as president.

Everyone has their own opinions, but the above has been achieved.

Gaggi3 Wed 24-Apr-19 16:17:48

Trump did not win the popular vote and I don't think there is evidence that he supports the U.K remaining in Europe.

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 16:22:22

If I could be bothered, there’s a lot that could be said about that list as to the veracity, whether the actions are positives or negatives etc etc. And it’s certainly not an objective fact based balanced account of his presidency.

RD001 Wed 24-Apr-19 16:22:28

NannyC2 - "Pulling out of the Paris Agreement on climate change and defying global warming alarmists." This is an achievement?

Callistemon Wed 24-Apr-19 16:33:36

I expect Prince Charles will find another and very urgent appointment.
Or he may just speak up by giving a speech about climate change, world pollution etc.

Unfortunately, he is coming here as the POTUS even if many of us think he is not fit to hold that office.

Callistemon Wed 24-Apr-19 16:44:42

There is a problem here, though, if he is attending a commemoration of the D Day Landings - whilst people may want to show their contempt of Trump, I am sure no-one would want American veterans and their descendants to think that any demonstrations are anti-American and anti the sacrifice so many of them made for us all those years ago.

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 16:52:20

Call I’m sure the D Day ceremonies will not be disrupted - for one thing the people present will all be by invite only I’m sure. Also some of the protests like last time will not be held where he actually is physically.

Urmstongran Wed 24-Apr-19 16:53:20

I’m with the few on here who think Trump will get re-elected in 2020. (next year! How did that come around so fast?)

This, from The Washington Post this week:

“Yet Trump could again win the presidency without winning the popular vote because of the strength of his coalition in the crucial Midwest battlegrounds.

Trump is also going to be in a much better financial position than he was in 2016, when Hillary Clinton vastly outspent him. Trump already has $40 million in the bank for his reelection bid, and he should be able to raise hundreds of millions more now that his party is more completely behind him than in 2016.”

We may just have to get used to his popularity in the USA.

paddyann Wed 24-Apr-19 17:03:52

nannyc2 not sure how many on your list can be called achievements ...looks like a complete mess to me .So many things he has got wrong just because he can !

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 17:07:07

Urm I guess quite a lot on here think he will be re-elected. Wishing he wouldn’t is another thing altogether or believing that he deserves to. The only good thing is the two term rule

Mycatisahacker Wed 24-Apr-19 17:17:11

maryeliza

Yes you are right screaming insults is get silly.

So glad you agree.

Mycatisahacker Wed 24-Apr-19 17:19:51

if I could be bothered

You mean you havnt got the facts either grin

Edithb Wed 24-Apr-19 17:28:53

I am in such a bad temper over him coming to Portsmouth since my 94 year old father-in-law is coming especially for June 5th events and now it will be ruined!