Brexit and MEPs?

Can someone explain to me why a vote with a majority of around 1.9 million should be classed as invalid but a vote with a majority of 1 in parliament is OK?

Because Beckett, a 'victory' gained by fraud and illegality is not valid.
Perhaps some Leaver would like to explain why cheating should be ignored in this instance.

(And I do know why you are moaning on about '1 vote' but we've been over this a number of times. It didn't involve rule breaking)

Rubbish just sore losers, if the referendum was illegal I'm sure it would have been declared null and void by now they have tried every other trick in the book and I don't need a lecture on how leave overspent I can Google as well, what about the Cameron Pro Remain leaflets delivered to every household at a cost of £9 million tax payers money, a once in a generation decision it said.

Beckett because they are corrupt (bent).

Grandad1943
I don't need a lecture
I can read and research
I can and do make up my own minda
This lady's not for turning

Have a nice day

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As opinion polls continue to show Nigel Farage surging, Remain strategists have been pinning their hopes on the 3.5 million EU citizens eligible to vote in next month’s European elections.

But they look set to be dashed. So far apparently only one in ten European nationals is signed up, with the deadline set to expire on May 7. This is causing the most concern to Change UK, who had been hoping their second referendum pledge would give them a boost among EU voters, especially in London.

‘To be honest, these elections have come too soon for us,’ a party official acknowledges to me. ‘We only just managed to get our own registration papers submitted in time.’

Meanwhile Brexit Party officials are increasingly confident they will not be hampered by a boycott from disillusioned Leavers.

‘We actually think we’re going to get a higher turnout than in 2014,’ one tells me. ‘People are saying, “Thank God. You’ve given a reason to come out and vote.” ’

Could the polls be underestimating the scale of the Farage insurgency?

Nigel Farage told The Mail on Sunday he ‘absolutely, absolutely’ blames Jeremy Corbyn’s party as much as the Tories for the delay to Britain’s departure from the EU, ‘in fact more so in some ways’.

Mr Farage has vowed to campaign throughout the Brexit northern heartlands, calling out Labour MPs who support remaining in defiance of their constituents.

He will target Yvette Cooper in particular for leading efforts to frustrate the process, despite her own seat in Yorkshire backing Leave by 69.3 per cent.

He said the backbencher ‘has been dishonest in the extreme with her electorate, they need to know about her.

'She told people in Pontefract that she would honour the result of the referendum, yet she has now spent the last two years doing everything she can to undermine that result and reverse that result.

'This is literally a kick in the teeth for Labour voters.’

He’s REALLY going after the Labour voters. Very canny! He knows he has already got the Tory vote in the bag. Nigel is definitely ahead of the curve here and is calling it like it is. No wonder those of us who voted Leave are delighted!
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if the referendum was illegal I'm sure it would have been declared null and void by now

We've been through this before, too, Firecracker? Do you ever bother to read a thread or do you just post and run?

The referendum itself was not illegal. The fact that you use this wording makes me wonder how much you understand of what you read.
The result is in question as some of the Leave campaigns broke the rules and electoral law.

If the referendum had been mandatory, i.e its result had to be implemented by law, the illegal actions of the Leave campaigns would have caused the result to be declared void. Like an Olympic medallist having their medal taken away if they had been taking illegal performance enhancing drugs when they competed.

The referendum was advisory. By law, the result did not have to be implemented. Because of this the result cannot be overturned by legal means. Any decision to void it would be made on moral (e.g cheating is wrong) grounds.

As morality no longer seems to exist this has been swept under the carpet and no-one who benefited from the cheating feels any shame.

As I only dip in and out of GN I missed the thread about the "1 vote". However as it can be inferred that "1 vote" was by a woman who is a proven liar convicted of a criminal offence should it still stand?

I have a busy few days in front of me so won't be picking up any of your replies until next week

MaizieD I don't need a patronising lecture from a sore loser like you thank you as I've said I am quite capable of Googling any information on Leave and Remain. As for posting and running some of us do have other things to do.

I fail to understand why leave voters are getting so excited regarding the Brexit party possibly doing well in the election for the European Parliament. In terms of Britain leaving Europe however well or poorly the Brexit party do, both the EU parliament and local council elections will make no difference whatsoever to if and how Britain leaves the European Union.

There is only one body in Britain that will eventually make the decisions regarding Brexit, and that is the UK Parliament, and that body will be totally unchanged by both the above elections.

I realise that the above is an unfortunate situation for any leave supporter, but it is the very simple truth.

Well, at least you came back for that one, Firecracker.

Shame you have nothing to say about the answer I posted to your 'question'. Which, it seems, you could have found out by googling, so why bother to ask it on a forum?

Beckett you appear to have missed the point that there was a vote on the other side by a white male Tory also convicted and who lied. So they actually cancel each other out if that helps?

I do realise that is the case Grandad1943 of course. However I do still think it will send a strong message to those in the HoC that we are watching our MP’s and deciding on their futures at the next GE.

I think the MP’s are mindful of this.

Not before time.
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Grandad1943, Leave Voters heard a lot about the protests which showed the strength of feeling for Remain and there was a feeling that this would influence Parliament because of the strength of feeling. I guess Leave voters feel that this is their chance to show how they are still determined to leave and an indicative vote may show that a second, expensive Referendum would make no difference, ie., the majority still want to leave.

Utterly amazing comment from a BP candidate, Martin Daubey former editor of “Load”

“Nigel will lay out our policies after the election”

What an extraordinary remark.

Maybe not so extraordinary. After the EU voting if the Brexit Party does well (which has been forecast) then the next stage will reveal more.

I’m happy with that for now. One step at a time. There’s no rush. We’ve coasted along unhappily for the last 3 years with no one in charge (no matter what their supposed manifesto!).

{Quote}:Remain strategists have been pinning their hopes on the 3.5 million EU citizens eligible to vote in next month’s European elections.
But they look set to be dashed. So far apparently only one in ten European nationals is signed up, with the deadline set to expire on May 7.{End quote}

Could this be because the other nine in ten European nationals have signed up to vote in their home countries? If the UK leaves the EU before the 23 May UK nationals will not vote but EU nationals can still vote.

I have received my registration form from the council, explaining to me that ”depending on what happens you may wish to take the following steps”... It goes on ”If the UK leaves the EU before the 23 May 2019 then... but if the UK still remains in the EU on the 23 May 201 then...”

Final paragraph ”At the time of writing, the circumstances surrounding the UK leaving the EU are still unclear...”

And that is the sad situation we are in right at the end of April: if, if, if. If I and other EU nationals want to vote it would be better to register in our home countries. At least we then know that we will have a vote.

I suspect that should this horror come about and Farage in the name of BP win an election for which idiotic voters have voted blind, then it is almost certain that BP and UKIP will join forces.

Utter nightmare. Farage and Robinson.

I don’t think Brexit Party and UKIP will re-unite.

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urmstongran you have absolutely no idea whether that is secretly on the cards or not. It makes sense though.

UKIP began to get too toxic (fascist, nationalistic etc) for many of the ordinary punter to stomach. Farage recognised this, even though his friends of choice are white supremiscists and neo-Nazis, changed strategy and denied UKIP. He started a one man party without anyone having the first clue of his intended policies. However if I was a punter my money would definately be on privatising the NHS to start with. That would be the safest bet I will have ever made.

The thing that made Farage leave UKIP was democracy, which he cannot tolerate.

When he set up UKIP he allowed the members to have a say in policy and the choice of candidates and party leader. This resulted in him not always getting his own way.

He was elected to the European Parliament as a member of UKIP, but has now left UKIP, but of course did not give up his position as an MEP.

His new "party" called Brexit, has hardly any members. There are thousands of Farage fans who have been conned into paying money to become "registered supporters" but they are not party ,members and have no voting rights (unlike the members of any normal political party).

Their only policy is "leave EU". They don't even say exactly how or what kind of brexit they want, only "brexit means brexit, to quote Theresa May".

One of their PR men, when asked about poluicies said "Nigel will decide what policies we have after the EU elections"

Champions of democracy??? Don't make me laugh. They don't even have internal party democracy. Goodness knows what policies they might promote if they ever got anywhere near power.

If you are a member of the Farage fan club and gave him money to be a supporter, I strongly suggest that you ask for your money back.

Whether you voted to leave or remain, the government at the time pledged to abide by the referendum result. To abandon it is to abandon democracy and continuing to repeat the vote is also undemocratic and sets a precedence for anything in the future. I voted leave, not because of immigration but for the sheer profligacy of the EU. The parliament moves once a month, for a week, from Brussels to Strasbourg at a cost of 1.5 billion euros a year. I have recently discovered that there are still food mountains stored in warehouses that help to keep prices artificially high and farmers are also being paid through the CAP. I knew there were food and wine mountains in the '70's but I would have expected efficiencies to have kicked in long ago. Also, if food is being stored why do we have food poverty, why can't we give it to poorer nations whose people are starving. The EU is long past it's sell by date and is already on the way to splitting up and we should never have been taken in to the EU in the '90's without a referendum. The EU ensures that the rich get richer and the poverty gap is widening which is exactly why the gilet jaunes movement started in France.

Although we welcome new members with open arms, we appear to have been infiltrated by a lot of angry posters, ranting incoherently about leaving the EU and mansplaining their weird ideas of what fascism is. They all seem to be part of some cult involving max somewhere in their name.