Confirmatory Vote

mycat the point I was making is that we cannot "all pick and define our ideas of radicalism". If all we do is have an opinion, believing those who have worked in these areas and done the research know no more than the opinion of someone who hasn't then you are advocating some sort of anarchy.

The Labour Party have produced policies, they have a membership, they have rules, their leader is not self elected. There policies are not even as far left as a country like Norway. Comparing that to one man - not a party - who has no policies, who doesn't tell us how he intends to achieve his simplistic goal, who has no power but seems to think he can govern by personality - as do his followers, and you have the makings of some form of right-wing dictatorship.

My yes, was to mycatisahackers first post on this page!

And guessing both mysogynistic too.

Yes!

Oh yes plenty of hero worship for Corbyn on the far left just like Farrage has on the far right!

And in my view they are very similar men.

One an anti Semite one anti Islamic snd both equally unpleasant

Ok to GG early thread!

i hope your leader inspires you with his beery breath and yes I am judging you

That’s just nasty don’t you think???

I seem to remember that Jeremy Corbyn was the subject of adulation not so long ago, along with T-shirts and banners declaring undying adoration for the 'dear leader', as you put it Grandad! how did it go?! 'Oh Jere-my Corbyn etc', over and over again! N.F doesn't have the monopoly where mass hysteria is concerned!!

I think both main parties are just as much in the grip of the far right/far left forces and it’s worrying.

Farrage really says nothing worse than many ERG members and nothing worse then many hard left labour MPS.

We can all pick and choose our idea of radicalism.

I have no objection to anyone calling out political figures in the slightest that’s healthy debate but I don’t like snide labelling like ‘over 50 all white’ etc.

It’s really not helpful and comes across as sneery and nasty

A confirmatory vote is now looking highly unlikely.

Reasoned debate not name calling
Mycatisahacker could you please give one instance of “name calling” on this thread?

I agree Granddad1943.

Good post crystaltipps.

Iam I don't think there has been any name calling of members. If there had been then I am sure GNHQ would have done something about it very quickly. There has, however, been descriptive language used to show individual assessment of Farage, just as there has been, often, and for thread after thread about Cornyn. I don't remember you jumping in on those threads to decry the "name calling" and we have had to put up with the boring repetition of those for years.

I have to admit I am, personally, not keen on extremists or extremist policies. If you could show Cornyn, for example, was moving towards a form of authoritarian communism, I would call it out. So far, personally I see no evidence of the Labour Party moving in that direction. However, I not only said (and some may have agreed ?) how I see someone I believe to be dangerous, but also someone with fascist tendencies. I did not throw in the word lightly, as others often do with their criticism, I rechecked the academic literature on the definition, copied it, and quoted the source. Unlike many on here, I do not believe my opinion is equal to or better than that of an expert. I try to recognise and know what I don't know.

Perhaps, if others had been prepared to do that we would not be in the mess we are now.

Look someone mentioned learning lessons from history!

If both labour and Tory governments hadn’t dismissed patronised and belittled people’s legitimate concerns over immigration we wouldn’t have had Brexit.

That’s s fact acknowledged by all sides.

To now continue to partonise and belittle those same people for using a democratic vote to vote for a legitimate party ie the Brexit party is utterly counterproductive.

By all means go after Farrage policies but don’t patronise posters who vote for him.

Reasoned debate not name calling.

Perhaps Brexit party supporters on this forum who feel they are treated in a patronising non-serious way should perhaps try persuading Farage (The Dear Leader) to act more responsibly and professionally in putting forward his at present non-existent policies.

In the above, he, without doubt, tries to conjure up an image of someone who can come up with all the answer to Britain's problems while leaning on a pub bar with pint in hand. He could also try answering real questions when put to him, instead of shouting down the interviewer in an attempt to divert away from those questions.

Farage always puts me in mind of a hark back to the 1980s "Medalion Man" those of whom became so disparaged, especially by women.

What Farage seems to be trying to cultivate is a "cult party" based around himself, that has no real political policies or answers to any of Britain's problems whether that be in regard to brexit or any other matter that affects this nation.

Sadly, as history has so often demonstrated, many can be taken in by these cult enterprises

Good post,(03:03:52) crystaltipps

Very worrying if people who appear to be thoughtful can't tell the difference between a populist rabble rousing demagogue and a run of the mill politician.

We never learn from history otherwise there would have been no wars or genecide since WW11 and there have been many examples of both.

Terrorists are more Vicious than they ever were and politics is more angry nasty and hateful then ever

So history just records events and teaches us nothing. Humans don’t learn or change.,

Iam64

Spot on post.

Whitewave, I'm another Remainer who has slowly, reluctantly reached the belief that a confirmatory vote is least worst for our country.
The way in which discussions on this site speedily deteriorate into what seems like name calling may just reflect the divisions in the country.

The referendum should never have happened but it did. The campaigns from both sides were dreadful, Leave because it was so dishonest, Remain because it was so inept. Jeremy Corbyn's contribution to that is something I won't forget, any more than I'll forget David Cameron's contribution. I was disappointed but content to accept the outcome but we're three years on and what a mess we're in. The public must be given the opportunity to contribute - let's be more cautious about the wording!

Quite understood Maw
Each to their own!

Me neither - but nor am I tempted by the likes of UKIP or the Brexit party.

Which is why I shan’t be voting Conservative Maw!
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Mycatisahacker -you may think so but as Churchill said, “those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it”.

I think it’s the Remainers who seem more febrile.
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He isn’t ‘“Just a political figure who wants to leave the EU” there’s plenty of those. He’s a populist demagogue. Interesting reading about his rallies- whipping people into a frenzy with his blatant lies , everyone chanting “NI-GEL”, singing football songs, the slogans lifted straight from Trump,, Anne Widdecombe’s shrill voice screeching at crowds of the mostly over 50s white people. He doesn’t have to answer awkward questions about the past, or indeed any future plans, just spout a load of soundbites to get everyone hysterical. Hideous and dangerous.

Whisper!!

He really isn’t either Hitler reincarnated or the anti christ just a political figure who wants Britain to leave the EU.

It really is as simple as that. By piling on the drama you make him far more important than he is.

urmstrongran

You put it perfectly well yourself

GracesGranMK3

I don’t dought you disagree with Nigel’s political beliefs but I think to use such dramatic language detracts from your ability to debate properly.