Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

Again, you know there are pro-life atheists, correct?

Perhaps in light of the fact that grandmothers would consider limiting the options they provide their grand daughers with the intention to deceive and coerce their grand daughters into giving birth it's time for compassionate citizens to consider additional child protective laws-

"Their parents still have their parental rights. They haven't relinquished them. A child can't be placed for adoption unless the parents relinquish their rights."

So it is OK for a woman to be forced to relinquish her rights over her body but not for parents to be forced to relinquish their rights over their children when they are unable or unwilling to take care of them.

I think you have to admit it was a poor and illogical choice of argument that does raise the question of your view of the capacity of a pregnant women to make her own choice rather than have yours inflicted on her.

Your view means that some dictator comes along and insist she sustains a foetus that cannot independently sustain itself. What if it was that dictator who would die unless joined to another body which could sustain him? What if your body was the only one that could do that? Does he have the right to force you to do it? Or do we accept that you have autonomy?

Last post was to Agnurse.

Pat Robertson, a well known televangelist:

Alabama's "extreme" abortion law has "gone too far"

Anti abortion laws should be accompanied by laws which fully support every single pregnant mother and all children. Since that would mean equality of ante and post natal services for rich and poor women, and equality of education and opportunity for rich and poor children, such laws will never be passed. So, women should be able to choose whether to continue with an unwanted pregnancy. In fact, they will continue to choose no matter what the law says, with all the dire consequences of backstreet abortions.
Women's rights are being rolled back across the world, and this is another example of this hideous turn of events.

Well put Drum1234

I am very late to this discussion but I believe that desperate people do desperate things ( apologies if I am repeating someone) and preventing women from having legal abortions will surely lead to more illegal abortions .

As a young single mother of 18 times were very hard and I was desperately lonely and cut off . Abortion might’ve been something I would have considered if I’d even known I was pregnant . As my grandma always said “things happen for a reason that you may not always see at the time”

Maryeliza just seen your earlier comment , I am not defending the views of agnurse as I pointed out but the right of any poster to express their opinion however controversial that may be. No doubt the GN nannies will soon intervene.

I fear for the women of America and I hope with the next election, all those young women (and men) who didn't see the point in voting, will see it this time and get the Democrats back in. That dangerous idiot Trump has surely had his time.

Graces we don't have to worry here! The US is a strange and in many ways backward country. There aren't many other places where capital punishment and abortion bans still exist. Handmaid's Tale here we come...

As for agnurse, she's a lone voice here. Wonder why she doesn't post somewhere else where she'd find some like-minded souls (far right, religious extremists for eg). Because she's getting a response that's why!

Dillyyou're absolutely right

I wouldn’t trust Pat Robertson further than I could throw him. He supports the overturning of Roe v Wade and is probably only saying what he did because he thinks the backlash will potentially harm his cause. He is very rich ( with some dodgy investments) very right wing very very evangelical Christian) on the back of which he has made his fortune. He is also very white and very male. He has never been pregnant. He hates women. He and his views can fottfsof.

Sorry soda but I still think you are wrong to defend her, Much of what she posts are lies anyway.

Drum1234

I agree with you that we need to ensure that women don't feel the need to have an abortion.

In some parts of Asia, parents kill their baby daughters due to son preference. Since it takes time to educate parents about the value of girls, should we ensure that women are still able to kill their daughters until that is realized?

Maggie we do have to worry here. Look at the link between far right politics and the oppression of women’s rights throughout the world. Look at what’s happening to our politics. Be afraid, be very afraid. The price of women’s freedom is eternal vigilance?

Just putting this here for your review.

While the site is pro-life the references are secular.

www.theunchoice.com/articles/howcommoniscoercion.htm

You are of course entitled to your opinion Maryeliza as am I. You are missing my point I think but don't want to get bogged with this side issue.
I am currently having some conversations about the abortion laws with my grandson who has recently moved to USA and lives in one of the affected States. He has found the Bible belt citizens can be quite hypocritical in their stance.

The links provided by pro-life supporters lead to Kool-Aid -- read but do not drink -

I’m not entitled to lie with false statistics either here or in RL and if I do lie, no one should be defending my right to lie. Defend the liar, defend the lie. The anti choice campaign is full of lies. Women deserve better than this. And especially from other women

I trust that Pat Robertson said what he did, and by doing so triggered division -

Repeat after me pro-life = anti-choice and again, pro-life=anti-choice. I am not anti -life I am pro- choice. Don’t let the anti-choice lot influence how we describe ourselves. Those of us who believe women should choose what happens to their bodies should describe ourselves as pro-choice and the other side as anti-choice. Words matter

You are indeed entitled to lie with false statistics maryeliza54, it happens on here and in the country all the time. Closing an argument down, or worse, closing other people's argument down achieves nothing and verges on the self same dictatorship the Alabama anti-abortionists are trying to use. I am surprised you can't see that.

MaggieTulliver We certainly do have to worry here. If you think the far right hasn't increased its following in recent times I would have to wonder where you have been.

Mycatsahacker : 'jura2

Getting a tad bored with you seemingly following me round the boards.'

wow, what a very unpleasant remark. Certainly not aware of having done this, I comment on comments as they happen. And I have been very quiet as travelling for last 2+ weeks

Will not continue after this post, as it deserves a totally seperate thread, as it has nothing to do with this dreadful Alabama law - but I'm afraid many women, who have access to every form of contraception and advice - and not in abuse relationships - do use early abortion as a regular form of 'contraception' (contradiction in terms, I know) - and I am truly puzzled as to why. Any woman can get 'caught out' - once, perhaps twice- but not 3, 4, 5, 6 times and more. As said, for another thread. But not need for such unpleasant comments as above, thanks.