Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

No GG there is no entitlement to lie - you can lie and then be called out for it. Being able to do something does not mean you are entitled to do it . Ability does not equal entitlement.

Men are able to get women pregnant, it does not mean they are entitled so to do

I worry that the Abortion Laws here will tighten up here because we do seem to be mirroring the US in many ways. I believe it is definitely a way of controlling women and that perhaps the Handmaids Tale is not so dystopian after all. How can it make sense under such a law for a humanitarian doctor who carries out a ToP on a child who has been raped, be sentenced to more years in prison than the rapist?

Never forget as you enter the polling booth that a vote for a right wing party is a vote for these sort of policies.

By not having an abortion , the resulting life of some children cannot be described as a life. Many unwanted children’s lives are horrendous.
Precautions are readily available, but for various reasons, covering a range of situations this is of little help.
Just saying it is ‘wrong ‘. & therefore shouldn’t be allowed does nothing to help the resulting life of those children.

It is simply incomprehensible that people don't understand the profound ridiculousness and sinister implications of the anti abortion lobby.

It is indeed a strange country that prohibits the 'murder' of a group of cells but won't ban guns that can murder a load of school children.

Frightening I can’t understand why women’s groups in America are not bringing the country to a standstill over this despicable policy.

I can equally never understand why this nonsense is tolerated in NI either.

Spot on ArtemisFoul, brilliant observation

ArtemisFoul

Yes great post

jura2

Sorry if my remarks offended you.

However it’s none of your or my business how many abortions any woman has or why. I don’t care. The service should be there on demand and with no moral judgments just help and advice if needed.

I had an abortion at 17. It was the best thing I could have done and I have never regretted it. My feelings after were relief no guilt and no long term emotional effects.

Not apologising for that.

ArtemisFoul perhaps that's something to do with it being men who usually fire the guns and women who have abortions. I am so pleased to see so many people realise the dire consequences for poor women when abortion is made illegal. It may make the anti-abortion people feel better to ban it, but imagining that this will stop abortion is just foolish. I'd like every anti-abortionist to have to witness the results of an illegal abortion.

Maryeliza I think you are not only splitting hairs to know purpose but what you say is simply not true. You are, should you so choose, entitled to lie, no ifs no buts. The only exception I can think of is if you are under oath or speaking to the police . You are also entitled to be disbelieved.

No not know

trisher- totally agree

Mycatisahacker - we have a close family member who had “a chemical abortion” a horrendous and painful experience- one tablet taken in the morning, sent away for 8 hours then returned for 2nd tablet, sent home and totally without medical support. Despite this it was the correct thing for them, no regrets on their part and total support from all family members.

These over privileged white “ba****ds” have no idea the hardships they are causing and probable deaths of poor underprivileged women they will be responsible for who when desperate will go to the local back street abortionist which will re-appear!!

These odious men in all probability will not be held accountable for or feel any guilt!!!

maryelia54 is right with her earlier comments about the process that is going on. This is all about getting Roe v Wade overturned once the (inevitable) appeal reaches the Senate. If that happens it won't matter which state you live in because federal law will over ride state laws.

It's all part of a bigger anti-woman agenda that is creeping in.

The problem seems to be that we uppity women are getting too influential by actually being allowed to hold senior positions and having real power. That's not to the liking of many men and their handmaidens (i.e. those women who calculate they personally gain more from within the existing system) so Alabama is part of a real kickback against women and I fear the tip of the iceberg we could facing. (google Maya Forstater if you doubt me).

GrannyGravy

Exactly.

Let’s hope tablets can be sorced by these women so they can circumvent these hideous mysogynistic laws. Of course they shouldn’t have to.

purplepatch

Indeed the vociferous trans community are eroding what it actually is to be a woman!

Yes woman nor a bloody cis woman!!

We are under attack from men on all sides

Can't add much here apart from my complete agreement with those stating the pro-choice case so eloquently and powerfully. It needs to be shouted from the rooftops. I also don't care how many abortions a woman has or why she chooses to have one. It's none of our business and no one should be moralising or pontificating about her lifestyle choices. The point is that legal, safe termination should always be available as well as support before and after. It's that simple. I'm amazed there isn't more of an outcry from our sisters in the US and I fervently hope this dreadful attack on women's rights spreads no further.

I, aged about nineteen at the time and a student nurse, nursed a young woman from a very religious family. She had become pregnant (no pill in those days) and tried to abort herself using a ruler (no legal abortions in hose days either). Infection caused her to go into renal failure and she died a horrible, painful death. Any naive objections I had then to legal abortions, went straight out of the window.

Their parents still have their parental rights. They haven't relinquished them. A child can't be placed for adoption unless the parents relinquish their rights.

Yes, they can. Courts have the power to release children for adoption.

That poor girl in Ireland died from mismanaged sepsis. An abortion wasn't necessary.

The woman in question contracted sepsis because her doctors felt unable to remove the pregnancy - which was unsustainable anyway - because the foetus still had a heartbeat. Sepsis is incredibly difficult to treat, and virtually impossible if the cause of the sepsis can't be removed.

It's extraordinary that anyone could seriously believe that it was right in the Hallapanavar case to refuse termination.

Yes that is the concern isn't it Tweedle24 a return to back street abortions and all the horrors that entails.
I agree ArtemisFoul what sort of morality is that. Seems the NRA is losing some of its power as they are not so well funded now.

The woman in question contracted sepsis because her doctors felt unable to remove the pregnancy

Precisely. A death that was probably avoidable had it not been for the refusal to terminate that pregnancy.

For those against legal abortion, surely the point is that no-one is going to force them to undergo terminations? Just because something is legal does not make it compulsory, I choose not to do lots of things that are not illegal. My husband used to be a rock climber - perfectly legal pursuit - but not for me, thank you.