Disgusting

You could start by adopting the system we have in Denmark, which makes the acknowledged father of a child responsible for contributing to the child's upkeep until he or she is 18.

This applies whether or not the parents of the said child have married or not.

The municipal authorities pay the monthly childcare to the mother and are responsible for collecting the same amount from the father. If he is unwilling to pay, the Income tax steps in and adds the amount to his tax contributions.

If parents divorce and the child (children) live permanently with their father, the mother pays child support in the same way.

This works, although it does sometimes have comical effects, as when my sister divorced her husband and their eldest child remained with her mother, while the younger sister lived with her father and my sister and her ex had to send each other the exact same amount each month!

This prevents men not supporting their families. If the same man has more than ten children under 18, the state takes over child support for subsequent children and presumably sends the man a leaflet on family planning.

winterwhite
You're easily shocked.

Can't we talk calmly about economic matters without being accused of "bashing" anyone.

My 14.05 reply was to susanstroud

winterwhite it's alright. EV is only talking about a bunch of politicians. We can all go along with that.

There is a name but I won't type it here.

No it isn't. Immigrants do many valuable jobs not only the ones which some lazy Brits turn their back on.
They are valuable and valued members of our community.
I personally was 'talking' about people who come here illegally and work under the radar.

I see its immigrant bashing time again - they are to blame for poverty now. Nothing to do with governments austerity policies. Most immigrants come here to do the crap jobs Brits won't do btw.

I volunteer in several groups to help poor. I found that most women have children with no child support. The men do not work and pay taxes. They work under the table. One man I know all too well has 6 illegitimate children and pays no child support. He has no property and is a handyman. He wants no job for then he has to pay child support. Why these women go to bed with them I don't know. They are pitiful.

'well and truly locked up in an asylum'! @11.46 What a thing to say. I hope it will be withdrawn.

If Germany is on its “ uppers” goodness knows what that makes the UK. Down the tubes.

Dinahmo yes, that is true.

EllanVannin
I completely agree with your comment@ 11.46.

The UK is no longer a self-sufficient country and never will be with nigh-on 70 million people on this tiny island. You think things are bad now--------wait and see what happens if/when we leave the EU.

Whoever thought that allowing another 10/15 million since the mid 80's into the country to" boost the economy " should be well and truly locked up in an asylum.

Griselda
No. I have no idea.

Does my comfort or discomfort have any impact on job losses or poverty?

If I were to say that no I am not comfortable with the level of poverty in the UK, would that have any benefit to anyone? Would it create jobs, put food in mouths, clothe the unclothed?
What ridiculous questions.

Gonegirl - we have an ageing population and we need immigrants to look after us. The majority of them work and pay taxes which go towards funding our state pensions.

GG54 - we need each other. With global corporations and the internet etc the world is shrinking. We should stand together since there is strength in numbers.

Their governments are struggling if reports in the press are to be believed.

Well, I can vouch that that doesn't always apply.
I lived in an area where the MP was a Tory and had been re-elected year on year for in excess of 25 years.
There was no want in our household, no depravation on our doorstep, no illnesses other than childhood measles and no shortage of jobs or decent schooling.
None of my past or present friends from across all social strata, are diminished through poverty or fewer life opportunities.
From a divorced teaching assistant who started with nothing to owning an ex council property which she furnished beautifully and continued her education online, to an Indian care worker and his Hungarian wife, two people who struggled but found a living-in job where the salary enabled them to buy a flat in Brighton. They looked for and found work, travelling many miles over the years in order to buy a place to call home. This was during the Thatcher years and it set those people up for life.

Neither races look too bad on it,Gabriella54 !

gg54 ?.

Next question - evidence.

Best of luck

Gabriella if you believe that then you have no idea how many men suddenly become self-employed when orders are made. There are many reasons for poverty this is only one of them.
Are you comfortable with the level of poverty in this country ?

Germany and Greece (amongst others) are on their uppers EllanVallin.
They need us far far more than we need them.

What on Earth has the natural movement of people for either economic, labour, security etc got to do with the ideology of the Tory party?

This policy has been quite deliberate, it has nothing to do with oh so catchy easy to understand (nothing to do with reality) phrase the money tree.

It is to use another catchy phrase bollocks and Nothing to do with economic reality.

What you see is the Tory Party as its brutish nastiness, who has overseen the greatest increase in isolation, job insecurity, poverty, ill health and welfare cuts since the Second World War

If this government gets re-elected we will have truly reached rock bottom in compassion and the type of values we have held so dear for so long.

The courts have the power to make an order for an AEO (attachment of earnings order) therefore a father who is unwilling to support his children has no choice but to have the amount ordered by the court, deducted at source from his wages/salary and paid to the mother.
Naturally, they can be traced by their NI number if they hiked it.

I'm now beginning to think that we should curb numbers of people we let into the country. (That's not being racist - it's purely a realistic financial thing). I guess for that we need to come out. (And I voted remain)