Ten damning conclusions from the new UN poverty report

So, never mind about sarcastic "ums".

I have already read the rest of his reports thank you very much Whitewave. In fact I think I might have put a link up somewhere on thread. CBA to check back though.

To be honest, some people prefer a more left wing ideology, with state support being increased, and others prefer a more right wing ideology, with a preference towards more self help where possible. Arguing about it won’t change anything. The only thing that will effect it is how individuals vote when we have a general election. Then everyone has one vote. We live in a democracy, the candidates with the most votes win. It’s pointless to argue or try to score points or to virtue signal. We also have to understand that we cannot change other people’s minds, their vote is up to them.

gonegirl Um! because he works for the UN and we have signed up to the HR convention. If you read his work you would know that he has reported on poverty on a number of countries including the USA .
I had a cousin that worked for the UN and he worked all over the world. Would you say that he should have come back here?

Not enough jobs!! Have you read anything lately?

Governments and this particular lot have followed an ideology which argues for a small state, low tax and not doubt after Brexit life low regulation. I prefer to following the model we had prior to this particular government and the sort of model you find in most developed western states,, where we act as a collective and community matters.

But to argue that there is no alternative is entirely wrong.

Oh, I wonder if he could sort things out any better than anyone else! If he's American, why doesn't he go back to his own country and sort his own country out?

Fact is, small island, large population, not enough jobs to go round, etc etc. Do the labour voting posters on here want sky high taxes imposed on the better off? Even sky-er high-er taxes imposed on the rich? Remember the brain drain?

It's an impossible task. Government can only do so much.

Report this morning
Alston has stated that the U.K. governments denial of the deepening poverty in the U.K. is as worrying as the poverty itself.

Alston said that the government response amounted to a “total denial of uncontested facts” “the statement is as troubling as the situation. There is nothing that indicates any willingness to debate over issues which have generated endless, very detailed, totally reputable reports across the political spectrum in the U.K. All of these are dismissed.

The law professor has been a UN rapporteur since 2014, and has worked in a number of countries.

rose is there any form of safety net for these people?

What happens if they get seriously ill?

There are some people in this world who are utterly self absorbed, who only see the world through their own prism, and unable to empathise to the smallest degree.

Personally I find this self absorbtion boring to a degree and somewhat incredible.

It is easier by far to ignore and gloss over these tedious posts, of self absorbed fan club. That is my strategy.

What a relief?

Here (US) there's homelessness, poverty and then a very, very large gray area until you get to upper class and 1%-

During the 2018-19 35 day government shutdown countless suffered financial crisis-

During the financial crisis of 2007-08 most of the country was impacted in some way-

Social services is a slow and cumbersome process- Qualification requirements vary by county and state-

Job loss leads to home foreclosure, contents, repossession of vehicles -- lots of loss-

Poverty is lurking just around the corner for those of us in that vast gray area, it seems-

...and I do have the right to shrug off predicaments for which I am not responsible. Good grief .
You have NO idea what I do...none.
Do tell what you do to alter their living standards?

lime like

Eloethan
I'm sure that I have never said written or inferred that I alone have worked hard and deserve to enjoy the fruits of my labour.
Yes...I have worked hard for what I have but, and this is the difference, I'm perfectly certain that there are millions of others on here and throughout the world who could say the same.
No-one could be on here and read about the lives of other GNers and still be unaware that there are a range of ages, abilities, circumstances, families, backgrounds and lifestyles.
There are published authors, businessmen and women, people who've been lucky in love and those who haven't...the whole gamut.
I don't own property abroad ...lime some.
I don't go on yearly multiple cruises, as some do.
I don't drink or buy expensive clothes, as some do.
I live a moderate lifestyle.
I do have a car but seldom use it and I have never paid full price. Usually marque vehicles about 4 years old.
Regardless of 'some people', namely Grandad1943, writing that I am wealthy, wealth is subjective. How 'wealthy are others on here.
A regular poster has indicated that she lives in an expensive area where houses cost millions. Whether she lives in one, I have no idea nor any interest, other than to wonder why my modest lifestyle attracts so much opprobrium because I often like bargains yet 'claim' (as some put it) to be wealthy.
Why not target the cruise afficianados or business owners or authors...eh?
Do their published anecdotes about where they've been or upcoming foreign holidays or house renovations or new kitchens attract the same sarky remarks?
No, but my modest spending attracts sly stupid childish comments from one poster to another asking why would a wealthy women (sic) travel by Megabus and pay with clubcard points...titter snigger.
The answer is, 'Why not'.
Do no other GNers use Tesco clubcard vouchers?
I have a railcard and a bus pass too and tbe railcard was paid for with Tesco vouchers.
Should I use the 1st class rail travel option, or taxi, or fly just to show others I can afford it?
What utter daftness.
As for the poverty thing.
It's appeared on many threads, even ones where it isn't the OP's topic.
I'm sure that most GNers do charitable works and help where they can and I'm no different.
What I don't do is think about homelessness and poverty on a weekly or even monthly basis.
Everyone knows about it but talk is cheap and sympathy alters nothing.
I do what I do and I'm content with my contributions to society.
I certainly shouldn't and won't be accountable to anyone on here yet people 'demand answers. How dare they.

Of course not.
They're being ridiculous and so is anyone else who joins in this playground stupidity. Actually, it's almost like bullying.
Some of them act like kids not senior adults.

Gabriella I expect most posters are by now familiar with your self-congratulation and your belief that you alone have worked hard and deserve to enjoy the fruits of your labour.

It may come as a revelation to you, but other people have worked hard too. They may now, like you, be reaping the rewards of that hard work, or they may not. Low paid people - for instance people who are carers but who are designated as "unskilled workers" - earn very low wages for what can be a physically and emotionally challenging - but absolutely essential - job.

You comment:

"All we hear about is poverty, poverty, poverty, equality, food banks, heating or eating and homelessness - force fed daily".

Shocking isn't it, that you have to bother your head about issues that don't affect you and are therefore of no concern to you. I believe it was you who gave an account of your own situation - a handsome divorce settlement yielding a house in Virginia Water, which you rent out, enabling you to rent a flat in an equally affluent area. Yet you feel you have the right to shrug off the predicament of many people who are not in as comfortable a position as yourself.

Day 6 You stated a little while ago that there are many ordinary, non-wealthy people who support Conservative policies and you were one of them. I responded with a list of the systematic degradation of almost every essential service in this country and asked you if you could explain to me what positive contributions to society - historical and current - the Conservatives have made. You remained silent. It appears from what you are now saying on this thread that your main concerns are "out of hand" benefits, immigrants and foreign aid. And yet when there are too few doctors, nurses and support staff to run our surgeries and hospitals, too few police to attend to crimes, too few probation officers to monitor and support offenders, too few fire officers and fire engines to operate in a timely and safe manner, etc, etc, etc, these issues will affect you as well as everybody else.

This is a really confusing thread, but I'm really not sure what you and trisher are fighting about, Gonegirl.

Oh give it up trisher. I'm not entering into a competition of who was worse off, my family or your granny.

hugshelp
Thanks for reply.
I noted that you were 'answering' part of my reply to MamaCaz and that led me to think it was soley to me, not generalised.
? pax.

Too many people, too little room.
Tarmac and concrete over all green spaces, parks, gardens?
Cut down all the trees?
Decimate wildlife habitats?
Build more roads, hospitals, schools?.
Encourage more car use on the above roads?
Where will dog walkers go if their fields are built on?
Where will children living in flats, play if there are no parks or green spaces?
It isn't just housing. There will need to be the whole infrastructure which will need new gas mains, water drainage, electricity cables and all the disruptions and diversions car drivers so hate.
Too many people on a tiny island which was a green and pleasant land.
No longer.

I'm really at a loss to understand what you expect from people who don't live at poverty level.
Was the question posed. The question was generalised, as was my answer. It was not intended to make any assumptions about you personally GG54, nor anyone else, rather it was my statement of what I would hope anyone would do in relation to poverty. If my wording implies a personnal attack that was not my intention, apologies if it does so.

Gonegirl surely a coal fire in the 1940s was the only heating most people had? As for damp my grandparents were rehoused into a prefab in the 1950s because the 2 up 2 down terace they rented privately only had an outside loo and was really damp and my grandad was dying of TB. The prefab had an inside bathroom and loo and a proper fitted kitchen with a fridge- they thought they were in heaven! Social housing looked after those who needed help. It no longer does so. I could have said at least you had a house, o many families are now in B&B accommodation, surely you would like to see them properly housed?

Whitewavemark2
Not as interesting as the 1yr Forensic Graphology diploma which was mentored by a tutor in Berlin.
It was a distance learning course through JM Uni Liverpool.

MamaCaz
What would a warmer regard look like in a post. What words or sentiments should I be uttering?
Is trotting out sympathetic words helping? We could all do that.
You have no idea at all as to what I do and have done for other people.
Let's leave it at that.
Have a good weekend.

gg54 LLM eur - interesting.

hugshelp
I'm going to restrain myself from writing what I really want as it might not be printed, however, I think you overstepped the mark by a country mile.
You don't know me and have no idea what I do or have done for other people.
To make assumptions is a dangerous game.
This is the end of our conversation(s)
Enjoy your weekend.

GabriellaG54

I don't expect you to take any 'action', as you put it, regarding poverty and homelessness.
That doesn't stop me thinking, based on what you have said on several occasions, that you have a very cold disregard for those less fortunate than yourself, a detachment that seems to be way beyond the norm.

Whitewavemark2
LLM (Eur)