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No deal here we go!

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-May-19 11:21:39

Are you prepared?

October 31st the date.

Mycatisahacker Fri 24-May-19 14:28:36

Good post Newnanny

The hysteria is becoming ridiculous.

Planes will fly and medicines will be in stock and yes businesses will trade just as they do all around the world.

Courage people courage.

jura2 Fri 24-May-19 14:36:29

Whatever the numbers, whatever your opinion, whatever your allegiances -

NO-ONE, but NO-ONE, not even Cameron, or May, or Farage, or JC ... or you or me- knew what they were voting for- NO-ONE. And Tories and Farage and co campaigned all along for a Deal, you know the easiest deal ever, where we held all the cards. They campaigned on accessing a Customs' Union- Farage campaigned on a Deal, and even, again and again and again some more- on A norway/Swiss type deal- and totally denies it now (the videos are clear though)...

Anyone who says 'I knew exactly what I was voting for' is deluded and dishonest beyond belief.

jura2 Fri 24-May-19 14:37:45

Courage - Farage - it all rhymes.

30 years did they say- I shall be pushing daisies, my kids will be in their mid 70s and my grandkids in mid 40s. Great.

lemongrove Fri 24-May-19 14:38:53

hmm

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 14:47:54

Ah well...life moves on apace. The sun will rise and the winds of change will sweep across the UK landscape and brush the cobwebs out of the HoC and no 10. grin

Mycatisahacker Fri 24-May-19 14:48:24

jura

If that was for me I dislike Farrage!

Look it’s bloody pointless re running the ref campaign there were lies and nonsense on both sides ok just give it up we need to move on.

We can’t just revoke article 50! That will alienate more than half the country!

We can’t have another ref! It won’t being people together it will entrench both sides all over again.

We are where we are and as Blaire says we must just go.

If you know anything about EU trade deals they always do them at the last minute.

We need to prepare for no deal both publicly and privately, still negotiate, keep the money back until a trade deal is done, no border in NI and just get the hell on with it.

The whole country needs to move forward not re fight the results from 3 years ago.

MaizieD Fri 24-May-19 14:53:07

We can’t just revoke article 50! That will alienate more than half the country!

Maths not your strong point, mycat?

17.4 million is nowhere even near to half the country. Population 65 million.

It wasn't even half of the electorate of 45 million.

Blinko Fri 24-May-19 14:58:09

FWIW, I think TM has done a fantastic job in an impossible situation, (and I'm no Tory). It will be interesting to see what her successor can pull out of the hat. Clearly a compromise isn't possible....

....and no deal will inevitably lead to a hard border in the island of Ireland. So the nationalist bully boys will have a field day.

We're heading for the Dream Team, Trump and (probably) Johnson. Stop the world, I want to get off.

Mycatisahacker Fri 24-May-19 15:18:42

MaizieD

So your point is what? Remain won? hmm

Mycatisahacker Fri 24-May-19 15:19:59

If people are too stupid to vote they can be ignored as they are in any election!

Leave won. Do you actually understand that?

Dinahmo Fri 24-May-19 15:30:11

In a nutshell - the polarised views of the country demonstrated by Jura2 and Mycatisahacker. IMO Jura has got it right and Mycat... is repeating the same old same old.

Mycatisahacker Fri 24-May-19 15:32:55

Dinamho

Funny actually I voted remain! I just think we all need to honour the ref and move on.

It’s people like you and Maw that feel the need to re run the past, but not accept a democratic vote, move on and unite

Urmstongran Fri 24-May-19 15:34:21

I wasn’t jura2 as for all we know the same number of potential voters will abstain again. So another referendum would likely produce either a similar result or another close call that won’t heal divisions. You can take a horse to water .....
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janipat Fri 24-May-19 15:36:22

Mycatisahacker you said "We can’t just revoke article 50! That will alienate more than half the country!"

As has been pointed out to you 17.4 million is not more than half the country, so your statement is wrong. Of course we (remainers) understand that leave narrowly won the vote, we're not stupid, just incredibly sad and worried for the future.

Mycatisahacker Fri 24-May-19 15:37:33

And surely ‘same old same old’ is the past as in jura and not the future????

MaizieD Fri 24-May-19 15:39:29

It wasn't a democratic vote, mycat. It was corrupted by illegality and fraud. Had it been mandatory it would have been voided. If you, or anyone, think that democracy involves winning by any means, fair or foul, then I fear greatly for democracy.

17.4 million is still not half the country.

Dinahmo Fri 24-May-19 15:40:18

Mycat - I don't think we're trying to rerun the past. It's just that over the last 3 years a lot of us have learned a lot about things of which we were previously unaware.

If Mrs May, lavishly praised elsewhere on GN, feels able to try 3 times to get her deal through, why shouldn't the country have another opportunity?

Farage has been trying to bring us out of the EU for many years and I see no reason why those of us who are Remainers shouldn't continue to oppose him and the Brexiteers.

Mycatisahacker Fri 24-May-19 15:41:09

janipat

It was I think the biggest turn out we have ever had!!!

What do you think will happen differently if we do it again?

Do you think I those non voters will suddenly galvanise to the polls?

We are all concerned about the future spare us the hand wringing.

But we are where we are and need to bloody well move on! Are you happy staying in this state of division? Another ref would solve nothing and create even more division.

Is that what you really want because I don’t

Urmstongran Fri 24-May-19 15:41:46

Well the pound is rising! Perhaps business are hoping for some certainty after today - one way or the other now.

It’s time.

Mycatisahacker Fri 24-May-19 15:42:52

Of course you can oppose him.

But you have to honour the ref first or God help the country. The likes of Tommy Robinson would garner huge support.

Think what you are actually saying.

Mycatisahacker Fri 24-May-19 15:43:16

It is indeed time.

bingo12 Fri 24-May-19 15:46:04

jura2 - ''Geneva''??

MaizieD Fri 24-May-19 15:54:19

The likes of Tommy Robinson would garner huge support

Goodness, that's an even worse reason than 'respecting' the result of a corrupt referendum.

Firstly, I doubt it

Secondly, we should not run the country in response to threats of violence

Thirdly, he and his followers would be breaking the law if they became violent. I notice that a few arrests calmed them down a bit when they were pretending to be gilets jaunes...

Urmstongran Fri 24-May-19 15:57:33

I am reminded of Bernard Cribbins singing 'Hole in the Ground'.
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Urmstongran Fri 24-May-19 16:06:25

Actually whoever becomes PM Leave on WTO it is now the default legal position if there is no agreement by 31st October.

All a future PM has to do is sit on his/her hands and let the clock run down, while all Remainer MPs run around panicking like headless chickens.