No deal here we go!

Mycat - I don't think we're trying to rerun the past. It's just that over the last 3 years a lot of us have learned a lot about things of which we were previously unaware.

If Mrs May, lavishly praised elsewhere on GN, feels able to try 3 times to get her deal through, why shouldn't the country have another opportunity?

Farage has been trying to bring us out of the EU for many years and I see no reason why those of us who are Remainers shouldn't continue to oppose him and the Brexiteers.

It wasn't a democratic vote, mycat. It was corrupted by illegality and fraud. Had it been mandatory it would have been voided. If you, or anyone, think that democracy involves winning by any means, fair or foul, then I fear greatly for democracy.

17.4 million is still not half the country.

And surely ‘same old same old’ is the past as in jura and not the future????

Mycatisahacker you said "We can’t just revoke article 50! That will alienate more than half the country!"

As has been pointed out to you 17.4 million is not more than half the country, so your statement is wrong. Of course we (remainers) understand that leave narrowly won the vote, we're not stupid, just incredibly sad and worried for the future.

I wasn’t jura2 as for all we know the same number of potential voters will abstain again. So another referendum would likely produce either a similar result or another close call that won’t heal divisions. You can take a horse to water .....
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Dinamho

Funny actually I voted remain! I just think we all need to honour the ref and move on.

It’s people like you and Maw that feel the need to re run the past, but not accept a democratic vote, move on and unite

In a nutshell - the polarised views of the country demonstrated by Jura2 and Mycatisahacker. IMO Jura has got it right and Mycat... is repeating the same old same old.

If people are too stupid to vote they can be ignored as they are in any election!

Leave won. Do you actually understand that?

MaizieD

So your point is what? Remain won?

FWIW, I think TM has done a fantastic job in an impossible situation, (and I'm no Tory). It will be interesting to see what her successor can pull out of the hat. Clearly a compromise isn't possible....

....and no deal will inevitably lead to a hard border in the island of Ireland. So the nationalist bully boys will have a field day.

We're heading for the Dream Team, Trump and (probably) Johnson. Stop the world, I want to get off.

We can’t just revoke article 50! That will alienate more than half the country!

Maths not your strong point, mycat?

17.4 million is nowhere even near to half the country. Population 65 million.

It wasn't even half of the electorate of 45 million.

jura

If that was for me I dislike Farrage!

Look it’s bloody pointless re running the ref campaign there were lies and nonsense on both sides ok just give it up we need to move on.

We can’t just revoke article 50! That will alienate more than half the country!

We can’t have another ref! It won’t being people together it will entrench both sides all over again.

We are where we are and as Blaire says we must just go.

If you know anything about EU trade deals they always do them at the last minute.

We need to prepare for no deal both publicly and privately, still negotiate, keep the money back until a trade deal is done, no border in NI and just get the hell on with it.

The whole country needs to move forward not re fight the results from 3 years ago.

Ah well...life moves on apace. The sun will rise and the winds of change will sweep across the UK landscape and brush the cobwebs out of the HoC and no 10.

Courage - Farage - it all rhymes.

30 years did they say- I shall be pushing daisies, my kids will be in their mid 70s and my grandkids in mid 40s. Great.

Whatever the numbers, whatever your opinion, whatever your allegiances -

NO-ONE, but NO-ONE, not even Cameron, or May, or Farage, or JC ... or you or me- knew what they were voting for- NO-ONE. And Tories and Farage and co campaigned all along for a Deal, you know the easiest deal ever, where we held all the cards. They campaigned on accessing a Customs' Union- Farage campaigned on a Deal, and even, again and again and again some more- on A norway/Swiss type deal- and totally denies it now (the videos are clear though)...

Anyone who says 'I knew exactly what I was voting for' is deluded and dishonest beyond belief.

Good post Newnanny

The hysteria is becoming ridiculous.

Planes will fly and medicines will be in stock and yes businesses will trade just as they do all around the world.

Courage people courage.

It can’t be the case that 70% of the electorate didn’t vote in the referendum three years ago, as it had the highest turnout of voting ever.
Do you mean UK residents? That includes children, EU nationals and anyone else not registered to vote, plus those who couldn’t be arsed to.

which exactly why we now need to ask them, about the current situation, with facts known. Thank you for making the case for me.

Let’s remember though that although 70% of the electorate didn’t vote there’s no saying that they would have voted Remain! So many people couldn’t be bothered to vote and we will never know their views.

I don't care. I can't alter it.
My mantra is only to worry about things under my control.
WTO isn't so I'm not compromising my health by worrying.
Never trouble trouble 'til trouble troubles you, is, I believe to people of my age, a well known saying.

The EU has been prepared for 'no deal' since the beginning of 2018. They will come out of it far better than we do. It really isn't a credible negotiating stance.

And, if it really looks as though 'no deal' were going to happen it might well stir up the 70% of the electorate who didn't vote to leave the EU.

And perpetuate rifts in personal relationships for generations to come..

And bless back, MaizieD such condescension.
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Oh, bless, newnanny. Such sweet innocence...

A comment from Mumsnet:
"Wish she'd just said screw you guys I'm going home."
Not that I admire her, but she's shown terrific persistence.