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Labour anti-semitism

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Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 12:04:55

The equality and human rights commission have launched
an investigation

Eloethan Tue 11-Jun-19 18:23:13

The point is some parents choose to tell their children that, for instance, homosexuality is a sin and an abomination, sometimes citing passages in religious writings as justification for such a stance.

There have been examples of children brought up in this way responding negatively to children with, for instance, same sex parents. This, in my view, is totally unacceptable.

My understanding is that relationship education for young children does not go into details about sexual matters but merely talks to children about kindness and respect for other people whose appearance, lifestyle, religion, sexuality, customs, etc, etc, may be different from their own.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 11-Jun-19 18:34:43

Eloethan your post is spot on, we know 2 primary school teachers, one extended family member, 1 is Godparent to a GC. This is exactly what is taught.

Ilovecheese Tue 11-Jun-19 18:38:14

Well said Eleothan the lessons are about kindness and acceptance, I don't think there can be too much of either.

Iam64 Tue 11-Jun-19 18:47:01

Eloethan, yes what you say is correct. Children are not being given 'sex education', the No Outsider books simply talk about respect for others, whose lifestyle, the way they look, the people they live with, may be different than your own.
This thread s about anti semitism but as ever, discussions wander into areas that are linked in some way.
The lessons are about kindness and acceptance. The group of Muslim activists are causing such distress to the staff, parents and children at the school. There is much misinformation about this issue.
Ellen Vannin - I respect faith but I found the Pope's comments unacceptable.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 12-Jun-19 20:59:15

So who thinks the Pope is right on such things EllanVannin? Personally I would doubt anything he says.

Bridgeit Wed 12-Jun-19 22:04:10

Spot on Annibach. Re post Tuesday 17:59

Anniebach Wed 12-Jun-19 22:18:26

Thank you Bridgeit , there is no mention of children being taught to respect the travelling Community, disability,
ginger hair , it’s all realy the sex lives of parents. What 4 year
old would question two mothers, children have two grandmothers. Just the LGBT demands being given in to.

Bridgeit Wed 12-Jun-19 23:24:58

You are welcome Annie. You can’t beat good old common sense , sadly it seems to be a disappearing attribute.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 13-Jun-19 07:44:28

Doesn't that suggest that you may be one of the ones who are out of step with what comprises common sense then Bridgeit? I now have a picture of you, sat in the home, thinking everyone's wrong but you. It's very sad when people become deluded.

Iam64 Thu 13-Jun-19 07:52:49

I don't agree with Brideit's support of Anniebach's post at 17.59. It isn't about sex education, its about helping children understand that families and communities are different and that one size doesn't fit all. The people who care enough to teach that would certainly ensure no one is seen at an outsider, including people from the travelling community, people with disabilities etc.

GGMk3's response to disagreeing with Bridgeit and Anniebach is to make what I see as an unnecessarily personal and unpleasant comment in response. It's only my personal view but I find polarisation tends to close down, rather than expand debates .

Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-Jun-19 08:28:48

I have just been listening to Javid, who was apparently the only minister not to be invited to the state banquet. The implication being because he is Muslim and his remarks defending himself and other Muslims over Trumps racist rhetoric.

This government should hang its head in shame.

Anniebach Thu 13-Jun-19 08:43:11

I have a picture of GracesGran ?

GracesGranMK3 Thu 13-Jun-19 08:52:20

My thoughts actually applied only to Bridgeit's post Iam and was for the very reason you pointed out in your post. This teaching is not sex education. However, its has been said so many times now that I really doubt that those who are determined to see it that way will change their tune. Thankfully, we have patient, superior human beings who are prepared to treat elderly adults like children and keep repeating the truth in the hope that they understand.

Beckett Thu 13-Jun-19 08:56:28

I think children just accept things as they are - is there any need to point out "differences". I recall waiting with a friend who was picking up her GD from school. The little girl run up to us excited that she had made a new friend. We asked what the new friend was like - she went into an explanation of how tall she was, the colour of her hair, what she was wearing etc.etc. The new friend then arrived - she was black, something my friends GD had not mentioned because in her mind it wasn't important.

As they get older I think children notice differences but if adults don't make a big thing of them then children won't.

Anniebach Thu 13-Jun-19 08:59:16

Superior human beings treating elderly adults like children?

Good grief, belief in superior human beings , that is so sad

Fennel Thu 13-Jun-19 09:13:04

That's true, Beckett. I had a good friend at secondary school, we shared a lot of things. Not long ago when looking at old school photos it dawned on me that she was definitely mixed race. As far as I remember no-one had ever commented on this.

Anniebach Thu 13-Jun-19 09:14:15

Beckett, it was the same with my daughters, this town has always been a military town, my daughters went to school with children from Napal, St.Kitts, Wales and England, never a reference to nationality, younger daughter’s close friend lived with her mother and her mothers partner, a woman, never a question.

Eloethan Thu 13-Jun-19 09:18:35

Iam64 I agree with you that responding to posts with unpleasant comments is not a good idea. However, the comment of Bridget which preceded it -

"You can’t beat good old common sense, sadly it seems to be a disappearing attribute"

- was arrogant and dismissive - implying that the comments made by anyone who disagrees with her and anniebach are lacking in substance and not to be taken seriously.

I suppose it is best to ignore such provocative remarks but sometimes it's difficult.

Anniebach Thu 13-Jun-19 09:25:14

Obviously too difficult for those of the far left who believe anyone who disagrees with them are lesser human beings.

Must be awful believing in superior human beings, and defending those who believe it

Eloethan Thu 13-Jun-19 09:39:19

Beckett I think you are missing the point. I too think that little children are very accepting of most things and are unlikely to be fazed by, or unduly interested in, the make up of a classmate's family or any other issue that adults might have negative views about.

However, if children are taught at home that certain people and their ways of living are undesirable and possibly vile and sinful, they will carry that idea with them into public life. It is not an imaginary problem but a real one. The recent television series about British Asian (primarily Muslim) and British white children swapping schools, demonstrated quite clearly the sorts of prejudices (on both "sides") that were already very apparent. They were older children, but this distrust would have been built up over childhood.

Bridgeit Thu 13-Jun-19 09:42:56

My goodness , did I write my post in Latin?
To be clear : Children Are accepting of each other.
Unless they have been influenced / encouraged not to be by the prejudices of the adults who are responsible for them.

Bridgeit Thu 13-Jun-19 09:45:08

It is called Common Sense , it is often found lacking in those with a superiority complex .

Bridgeit Thu 13-Jun-19 09:47:57

For those not sure if they have come across this condition, there are excellent examples on this thread.

Anniebach Thu 13-Jun-19 09:57:36

Whitewave was Diane Abbott invited to the state banquet?

Anniebach Thu 13-Jun-19 10:47:41

Why are the far left here still fighting a class war ?

Superior human beings

Tory party members are from the Shires.

No, there are no superior human beings and my gardener and his brother who are Tory party members live on a council estate in the town,

Posts about teaching children to respect all, from posters who do not respect some posters have different opinions
This is what the once great Labour Party has become