Labour anti-semitism

Actually if I had continued I would have gone on to say that I also believe in a two state solution. I based my observations on precisely that; observation. I have had many conversions over the years with pro Palestinians who do not believe that Israel should exist , that it is perfectly ok if every Israeli is murdered or is forced to leave their homeland. I based my observations on the fact that many people decide that they have to choose a side and therefore the other side is the enemy. It is also the case that some people take the view that my enemy's enemy is my friend., It seems to me that this is where the whole Celtic/Palestine, Rangers/Israel stance comes from. The childishness to which I refer is deciding that a person has to back one side almost in the manner of choosing a football team. There are so many people who enthusiastically support one side in anything and consequently decide to hate the opposition. FWIW I may be pro Israel but I don't feel that I have to hate Palestine. I have actually met both Israelis and Palestinians I would suggest that both sides are to a certain extent trapped and afraid. . I have met Israelis desperate for peace and exactly the opposite and the same applies to Palestinians . It is possible to be pro Israel and also believe in a two state solution.

Obsession can be defined generally as the constant focus of energy on something or someone to the point that it causes harmful consequences in the obsessed person's life. Obsession can take many forms; all of them are unhealthy and damaging.

If in other parties why hasn’t there been complaints, are the members too fearful to speak out ?

Well Said Grandad1943 There is anti semitism is widespread everywhere not exclusively in one party.

Title of thread. Labour Anti semetism

There is racism in all walks of life , this is a political tbread,
there has been no complaints of anti semetism in the Lib Party, SNP. Greens. Tory. Plaid Cymru.

Great post Grandad. I just hope some are listening.

It has to be faced that antisemitism, Islamophobia, Homophobia and General Racism surrounds us is in every aspect of our lives. I have given details of an incident on this forum where persistent Homophobic harassment acts carried out against a male forklift driver in a workplace resulted in catastrophic injuries being incurred by an innocent employee who was no part of those acts.

In the above, the forklift collided with the female employee, and it was found by the in-depth investigation into the cause of the incident, that the stress of being subject to those Homophobic harassment acts had caused the forklift driver not to be concentrating in the way that he should have been at the time of the accident.

The above is the reality what antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia and racism can mean in everyday life. It is not contained exclusively within any political party, company or any other organisation, but unfortunately resides as being widespread throughout our society.

In a workplace it can be outright dangerous; in other environments it can be embarrassing and insulting. However, in any situation, it can cause great stress and bringing an end to that should first priority to all who witness it.

Sadly in this forum, there are those who consistently wish to concentrate on racism and harassment in the Labour party and even in that often on one person in that party. Those forum members would wish in there posts to exclude all other environments and persons from that debate.

I believe that if those forum members really wish to see the ending of inequality and harassment in all its forms from their lives, then they must accept that it is a widespread issue that is found widely and make posts for debate in that manner. Those who constantly wish to place it as a single sole issue in a political party make it nothing else but hollow political point scoring, and in that debase all that they argue is an overriding important matter to them.

To broaden the issue, here's a link from someone in the USA.
They have similar problems, but see the threat from the right rather than the left:
www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4394443/jewish/Americas-White-Militant-Neo-Antisemitism.htm#utm_medium=email&utm_source=1_chabad.org_magazine_en&utm_campaign=en&utm_content=content

Hello Lois welcome to this thread , your post was most interesting

Today 18:47

Loislovesstewie What an extraordinary biased post. So your Support of Israel is okay but those who support the Palestinians against Israel's inhumane treatment are "very childish" and their support attributed to a "tribal, partisan movement".

Why on earth can we not want the best for both countries? They both have a right to exist - or are you suggesting one doesn't? They should also both be held to account against as international law or the countries signed up to those laws should be putting whatever pressure is required on them to change their behaviour.

Or is it that you are so "tribal" and "partisan", as you are prepared to describe others, that you hold one of the countries above the other?

Hello loislovesstewie and welcome to this thread, which has become somewhat grumpy.
I enjoyed your post very much and thank you for it.

Your last post Annie is an extensive interpretation of a short video clip which basically has a man saying that a women was in touch with a newspaper, various people shouting out and a women leaving the room.

That is no way that is evidence of anti-Semitism. No on mentions anyone's ethnicity or religion. Your explanation is not an expert one but is part of your on-going obsessive attacks on one of the people who happens to be in that room.

Good post Lois.
"I also vote Labour and get very upset by anti semitism being displayed by other Labour supporters. "
Me too.
It's such a complex and emotional subject.

I haven't read the full thread, however I would like to point out that Celtic fans have displayed the Palestinian flag.To even it out Rangers have been known to display the flag of Israel. It gets very difficult for me as I am pro Israel but also favour Celtic. I also vote Labour and get very upset by anti semitism being displayed by other Labour supporters. From talking to quite a few people I think that there is a very childish, tribal partisan movement around at present. Many have no real knowledge of the history of the middle East, they have chosen to ' support ' the Palestinians , almost in the way they would choose a football team and the consequences of that are that they become very hostile to Israel and by extension anti Semitic. I also feel that anti Semitism has always bubbled away under the surface. The RC church for many centuries held all Jews to be responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus. I genuinely think that it will be a very long time before historical prejudice will go away or be forgotten.

GG Mk 3

Your posts are very reflective of a poster who has taken posters to task when they provide evidence or relate well documented stories re antisemitism within the Labour Party.

Your posts are very reflective of a poster who considers any mention of antisemitism within the Labour Party as some sort of fake news, a vendetta, a conspiracy against Corbyn.

If as you say you are trying to ' gain knowledge' might I suggest you use the GN search engine to bring up the threads on Corbyn/Momentum/Antisemitism that have been provided by posters for years and have copious amount of factual based evidence from Labour MP's and Labour Councillors and Hansard debates on Antisemitism to hear from the Horses Mouth.

GG MK3

"Right. I have never, in all the forums and groups I belong to, seen an instance of antisemitism. I don't mean I haven't seen reports of such things in various news sources. Neither do I mean I don't believe it is happening. I have just never seen it for myself. "
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So you state you have seen reports of antisemitism in various sources.

So you state you believe it is happening.

So you have never seen it for yourself in all the forums and groups you belong to.

If your point in challenging other posters su h As Anniebach and IAM is to ask them if they have ' first hand evidence' of antisemitism, keeping to Gransnet as that is the common denominator not any other forum, then I would hope the answer would be NO.

If any poster attempted on Gransnet to be antisemetic I think they would get short shrift and their post removed pretty damn quick by GNHQ.

lemongrove so as I understand your comment, unintelligent people conflate anti-Semitism with anti-Israel?

I'm afraid your comment speaks for itself!

Thank you Oldwoman lemon

I agree Oldwoman70
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Carry on posting Annie

The link I posted was of the morning when Corbyn and Baroness Shami met with the press to disclose the results of
Shami’s investigation into anti semetism in the Labour Party, why on earth would a momentum activist stand up and lie about Jewish MP who was in the same room and claim he saw someone from a newspaper who was publishing much sbout anti semetism making contact with that Jewish MP? You can hear many in the room objecting to
the accusations. Corbyn sat, listen and remained silent, after the meeting he was caught on camera,BBC and SKY warmly greeting the activist.

I state my opinions on Corbyn, he is a hypocrite, but when I post such things as Corbyn admitting the wall mural was anti semetic I provided a link.

When Corbyn attended the wreath laying ceremony but said he was there but didn’t know he was involved I posted
the link.

Hence I am constantly accused by Corbynites of being a closest Tory, of hating Corbyn - I am not capable of hating anyone, in my opinion he is a liar snd a hypocrite, I repeat this is my opinion , I hsve the same right to give my opinion of the man as those who praise him,

They not the.

That is not how it works GrannyGravy. You accuse someone then you produce evidence or people have no reason to believe what you say.

I now have visions of you accusing someone of murder and the telling the jury the need to produce the evidence to show that person is guilty.

Oldwoman please, if you can, show me where in Annie's YouTube clip, there's any antisemitism. It's not a lot to ask when it was put up as proof of that very thing. I do not like people lying to all an sundry. Mainly because it obscures the real truth, that there are people in this country who do suffer from the prejudice of others.

I do not posts links as I am a “technophobe”, it is easy with google or any other “search engine” for people to check if they so wish.

There appears to be some very angry posters on GN and at times their behaviour could be misconstrued as verging on bullying.

Thanks oldwoman70.