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Labour anti-semitism

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Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 12:04:55

The equality and human rights commission have launched
an investigation

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 20:21:33

I’m a humanist

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 21:15:28

still I suppose it’s an age thing

What a very strange thing to write on a forum called gransnet grin

trisher Tue 28-May-19 21:32:24

It is the assumption Mycat that the only people who can have communist beliefs must be students and that they will abandon these once they are older. There are older communists of course but they apparently are ignored. I can't think it is anything but an age thing.

Fennel Tue 28-May-19 21:39:04

That was one of the things I liked about France - we all lived in a commune so we were all communists. With all the responsibilities and benefits that go with that.

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 21:50:50

A very strange thing Mycat perhaps trisher has an age Limit she sets for posters on these tbreads

Pathetic excuse for your offensive personal comment trisher , are you including Corbyn ? He certainly isn’t a young person is he?

trisher Tue 28-May-19 21:58:33

Annie you posted Students have always read The Socialist Worker, part of their dreams of becoming a Che Guevara, they get their degree and a good job and then worry they will be taxed unfairly.
Perhaps you should examine your own prejudices about age. You and others have berated the young and their support for Corbyn many times on GN. Losing your ideals and beliefs just because you are older is very sad.

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 22:07:50

trisher I have not lost my beliefs , hence I left the Labour Party.

I said students read that paper because students was spoken of, I did not say only students read it, you were so eager to insult you didn’t notice that did you ?

GracesGranMK3 Tue 28-May-19 22:14:46

Brilliant to hear this. About time. I am pleased, but not surprised that the LP has welcomed it. I hear there is talk a out a similar move with the Tories and Islamophobia. That would clarify things too.

Dinahmo Tue 28-May-19 22:16:01

Fennel - surely you were a communard - a member of a commune. Not a communist.

Fennel Tue 28-May-19 22:38:29

Yes probably a communard.
So what's the difference?

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 23:45:33

I liked the communards!

Don’t leave me this way! grin

Quite apt for Brexit really

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 23:48:35


I think it’s fairly common to be a socialist when young and then become more ‘conservative’ as you get older.

When you earn money and pay taxes you are not so happy giving it away grin

I think Kinnock said as much.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 29-May-19 00:55:06

Depends how selfish you become as you get older "Mycat", and how much of a stick in the mud. Both seem to be the characteristics of those who become more Conservative in older age. The changes used to happen by the time you were thirty, if they were going to, I understand. Now, if you are going in that direction it is more generally over fifty. Probably something to do with increased educational opportunities.

Grandad1943 Wed 29-May-19 07:54:47

Far more people retain left-wing thinking throughout their lives in Britain today because of the lack of opportunity and inequality that now exists for so many.

Even those on regular and reasonable wages/salaries have problems getting on the housing ladder. Insecurity in employment is a further factor, and even such matters as gaining a place at the school of choice for your child play heavily into modern day political thinking.

However, in the above situation(s) not all look to the left for solutions to their problems, for as we have all seen some (a small but growing minority) will turn to the hard right for solutions.

In that, the hard right offer seemingly quick, simple and populist solutions to longstanding complex problems and that can be a significant attraction for those who feel that centre political governments have failed them over a protracted period.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 29-May-19 08:55:39

True Grandad1943, although Labour's greatest challenge is how the modernise. They were ahead when they took on supporters, that's for sure. Many people no longer have the tribalism that used to control people.

I can't understand why people vote for the party of excessive wealth when all they have is perhaps a home and a small pension if that. Thatcher's con runs on it seems.

Grandad1943 Wed 29-May-19 10:00:23

GracesGranMK3, i feel the Labour party very much modernised in 2015 as it adopted the structure it now has. That recruited many into the Labour Party as new members but also brought all who had been traditional long-standing affiliate members far more closely into decision making in the party/movement.

The above has been good in my humble opinion, as it has very much broadened the input and policy thinking of the party. However, as Jenney Formby laid out to the National Executive only two months ago, having good control and discipline in an organisation of nearly six and a half million is extremely difficult.

In the above, i refer to those six and a half million as five hundred thousand Actual Labour party members and six million in now very close affiliate membership as Trade Union and Momentum members.

Indeed many argue that the recruitment and restructuring success is at the basis of Labours disciplinary problems.

I am starting work now GracesGranMK3 so will not be able to post again until much later (looking at my desk) hmm but interesting matter you have raised i feel.

LarrythecatknowsitAll Wed 29-May-19 10:00:47

Labour has drifted so much it no longer seems to represent the middle ground it used to under Smith, Kinnock, Blaire and Brown. Many labour voters are in despair at Corbyns hopeless leadership.

It’s in the grip of momentum as the Tories are in the grip of the ERG.

Who is going to fill the long term vaccume it won’t be Lib Dem’s.

Scary times I think

Anniebach Wed 29-May-19 10:08:16

So grassroots party members - five hundred thousand,

Unions and Momentum members - six million

Explains much

LarrythecatknowsitAll Wed 29-May-19 10:15:11

I would have thought the definition of true maturity was to realise communism is hog wash because there is no true functioning non oppressive communist state in the world is there.

Any adult who believes in it is as daft as those who believe in dictatorships.

There’s no difference is there.

trisher Wed 29-May-19 10:32:34

What a pity you don't have a more open mind Larrythecatknowsitall We could take a hard look at capitalism, where people are dying on the streets and hard working families are starving, and reach much the same conclusion. Capitalism only works for some. But I suppose as long as you are part of the "some" and content to have some crumbs whilst others demolish the cake it's OK.

Anniebach Wed 29-May-19 10:36:55

Why does it have to be capitalism or communism ?

trisher Wed 29-May-19 10:47:15

That's what you are living under Annie and you don't approve of socialists.

Anniebach Wed 29-May-19 10:49:48

I am a socialist trisher I am not a communist

LarrythecatknowsitAll Wed 29-May-19 10:56:30

Capitalism only works for some I agree and so does communism.

Usually those who support both ideals live in a democracy. wink

LarrythecatknowsitAll Wed 29-May-19 10:59:30

Ah but you have to be momentum sort of socialist Annie or you Tony Blaire lover.

You know the most successful labour leader domestically who actually got elected to PM.