Labour anti-semitism

Iam64 - One of the things questioned was why it had taken 3 months for the CPS to decide on actions about hate crime. Something the Laour party had no juristriction over. And what made the headlines from that speech? Labour anti-semitism and the lack of action by the party. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be investigations and it shouldn't be discussed, and these are happening, but surely more important than any in-party events the inability of a national organisation to act promptly on hate crime should at least cause as much concern.

The CPS moves slowly and that often leaves innocent people hanging in mid air, sometimes suspended from their employment, always stressed. I'm not defending that, only saying that the delay is sadly normal, it isn't some kind of conspiracy theory. Apologies if that isn't what you meant trisher when you asked why it took the CPS three months to decide on hate crime allegations.

WW

Whitewavemark2 Sun 07-Jul-19 18:30:1

" POGS if you admit that the Tory party is both anti-Semitic and Islamophobia then I invite you to post evidence to support this view.
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POGS Sat 08-Jun-19 14:58:07

" Whether it be Antisemitism in the Labour Party or Islamophobia in the Tory Party it matters not a jot , it is simply WRONG.!

The difference is I see no poster defending the accusations of Islamophobia in the Tory Party if and when factual evidence is provided but over the years on GN the denial of Antisemitism in Labour by some posters has been astounding."
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POGS Thu 27-Jun-19 14:10:24

" But nobody has or is denying there is/could be a problem in the Conservative Party! How many times can posters not argue that point? "
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Thread after thread that raises the Tory Party and Islamophobia / antisemitism/racism, whether the thread be about Labour or Tory Party problems some poster will make the same daft comment there is a denial it is true when it comes to the Tory Party.

I have been asked before to ' prove' I do not deny it. So let me make it clear.

I believe there is antisemetism/islamophobia/racism in ALL parties including the Tory Party.

I am not like some who believe there is no issue with the Labour Party, it is all a conspiracy.

Now you show me a post that denies a problem in the Tory Party!

I didn't suggest it was a conspiracy Iam64 I just wondered why it wasn't a cause for concern nationally? The Labour party has often been accused of taking too long in its investigations.

Fennel

"The reason I wish it wasn't so high profile is that as history has shown, it will probably all come back to blaming the Jews for moaning in the end."
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Forgive me for asking a question but how does that comment sit with the view of Finkelstein who said :-

". If Corbyn loses, a lot of people in the Labour Party are going to blame it on those Jews who fabricated this whole anti-semitism witch-hunt hysteria. And that will be a problem, which... you know what the bigger problem there is? It's true! Jews were the spearhead of this campaign to stop Corbyn. And so, there's going to be a lot of anger within the Labour Party – that's not anti-semitism, that's factually based.'

Finkelstein and those who see antisemitism in Labour as a pack of lies , a Jewish conspiracy to attack Corbyn are surely. ' blaming the Jews for moaning in the end.

I think you are right POGS

Panorama will be interesting on Wednesday.

pogs
But all I ever read is you attacking Labour. I have never denied a problem in the Labour Party, but I think that the way it is being continually brought up on here year after year is in fact weaponising anti-semitism, something I feel extremely uncomfortable with. In fact by trying to counter your claims and constant weaponising with examples of Tory anti-Semitism i find I am falling into the same trap. Shame on me. To those Jewish grans I apologise. I will no longer take part in what I find a very distasteful exercise.

It will be lemon

trisher the thread title ?

Whitewavemark2 Well said, and I will join you in refusing to be complicit in this use of anti-semitism.

WW

pogs

" But all I ever read is you attacking Labour. "
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If I am on a thread discussing Labour I discuss Labour.

I rarely venture onto the copious Tory Bashing threads , I leave others to it.

I do post if I think something is worth saying or I think a false statement has been made but as a rule if some posters went to vent their opinion on the Tories I am not that interested in defending them.

As for your usual type of personal retort to me :-

" In fact by trying to counter your claims and constant weaponising with examples of Tory anti-Semitism i find I am falling into the same trap. Shame on me. "

I am not 'weaponising ' bugger all.

You can't ' weaponise ' the truth .

The truth can be ignored, denied, twisted into a conspiracy theory but at the end of the day if a person does not accept the truth then that is their problem , not mine.

trisher

trisher Sun 07-Jul-19 22:13:36
Whitewavemark2 Well said, and I will join you in refusing to be complicit in this use of anti-semitism.
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Complicit use of antisemitism!

How strange .

Are you happy with the complicit use of Islamophobia?

I personally don't care if the truth is pointed out about either but then again I don't deny or believe in conspiracy theories. I prefer to accept it is happening and I will not be afraid to speak frankly or straightforwardly to make my point.

Labour certainly know which solicitors to choose to silence
the whistle blowers in the Panorama programme.

Carter Ruck

trisher you say ‘WWM2,well said, and I will join you in refusing to be complicit in this use of anti-semitism’
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A sentence worthy of something from the book 1984, in the way that truth can be twisted.

Pogs

The truth is that anti-semitism exists in both political parties and society at large.

If you were interested in truth as you so bravely asserted in your posts would recognise this by looking at anti semitism wherever it occurs, but they don’t.

You aren’t interested in truth but only where it can be used in attacking one political party. Nothing wrong with that except that you are using anti-semitism as a tool to do so. You are weaponising anti semitism and it is wrong.

Undoubtedly you will continue but I hope now that others reading will understand exactly what is happening here.

As a Labour voter, I must be missing something because I don't see this discussion as part of a conspiracy theory to keep Jeremy out of number 10.
I don't agree that anti semitism is being 'weaponised'. Yes, the right wing press are making much of the allegations. The Labour leadership is encouraging that by responding in such a hopeless way.

If the Labour Party are speaking the truth about anti semetism in the party why have they chosen Carter Ruck to
try to stop the whistle blowers speaking out?

iam64 if anti-semitism is being discussed it should be looked at wherever it occurs. It doesn’t occur in isolation as you well know. To simply use the concept to look at one particular body is to weaponise that concept.

Jewish leaders have long pointed out this, but it is ignored by the right wing press.

I have tried many times to discuss anti-semitism and what it actually entails only to have thrown at me various allegations about Labour and Corbyn. In the light of this I will not engage any further. I leave you to your prejudices and MSM influenced perceptions. Define anti-semitism as you wish and use it as you deem fit in your political battles. Just remember Aeschylus said, “In war, truth is the first casualty.

Seems the whistle blowers may be a casualty of the war.

How can the Labour Party condemn racism when it is in their own party.

WW

The irony in your personal attacks to me is astounding given you admitted to doing what you accuse me of ' weaponising using antisemitism'

You posted :-

" In fact by trying to counter your claims and constant weaponising with examples of Tory anti-Semitism i find I am falling into the same trap. Shame on me."

So your constant posts using Tory antisemitism is being used by you as a ' weapon/weaponising' just to get at a poster/me because all I say is I believe antisemitism/islamoohobia/racism is in ALL parties.?

I speak of antisemitism in the Labour Party on a Labour Party Thread.

I clearly stated I believe antisemitism/Islamophobia /racism is a problem for ALL Parties.

You are spoiling for a fight because you and trisher, others too at some point or another insist I do your bidding and answer/respond to your posts in agreement . If I stay quiet I am still accused of something or the other and in this case ' weaponising antisemitism'.

Don't bother coming back by saying I am playing the victim card as that is not the case.

I am telling you politely that I will not be told by you or anybody else what/where and when ' I ' choose to post!

Now you can carry on trying to avoid my posts, that is you perogative. You can carry on making unnecessary personal nasty comments, that is your perogative too. You can carry on and on and on playing the man not the ball, trying to raise my dander, trying to disrupt a thread that does not suit your opinions I can't stop you, nor would I because the more you post, the more you accuse others such as myself the more the light shines on what you are trying to do whilst all the time doing what you accuse others of.

Transference?

3 in one day

Lord Turnberg

Lord Triesman

Lord Darzi

Have resigned the Labour Party whip. - anti semitism