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Meanwhile in Scotland.....

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Granny23 Tue 28-May-19 23:17:11

GG54 Why on earth should I tweet my MP and NS when they are doing everything they can to steer Scotland towards Independence? There is already a majority in the Scottish Parliament in favour of Independence and they have a mandate from the public to hold a second referendum. It is the Westminster Government which has refused to grant the necessary permission, (TM said now is not the time) which they can do because Constitutional matters are reserved to Westminster, i.e. NOT devolved.

If the pollsters are correct and Boris Johnson becomes the PM, then perhaps he WILL allow a Scottish referendum as based on his many contemptuous anti Scottish comments, he probably would be glad to see the back of us.

Mycat As has been discussed many times on these threads, Scotland would not be allowed to join the Euro until its own currency had been established for umpteen years and could easily stall meeting the criteria indefinitely. Do you not think that Brexiting from our biggest trade partner will be more than just BAD for the economy?

As to Ruth Davidson - she declared that this Euro election was a test of public feeling about Independence. Her election leaflet made 14 references to this but did not mention Brexit at all. In the event her Scottish Tories achieved only 11.6% of the votes cast compared with the SNP's 37.9% To which, if following Ruth's logic, you can add the 8.3% who voted for the other Indy supporting Party, the Greens, giving a resounding pro Indy vote of 46.2%.

Personally, I believe that voters in Scotland were mainly voting for remain parties - SNP, Liberal & Green - rather than taking part in Ruth's mini Indyref.

paddyann Tue 28-May-19 23:15:12

can I just add that Scotland hasn't returned a majorityvote for the tories since 1956 thats NINETEEN FIFTY SIX .yet we've had to suffer under them because England wants them.Democracy ? Not in my book its not ,bully boy tactics you'd see in a playground when the BIG boy beats the smaller one into submission.

paddyann Tue 28-May-19 23:11:57

we dont want Ruth ,and once you know the facts you wont either.During Thatchers reign the tory vote in Scotland "PLUMMETED" TO JUST 24% disaster according to the media.Along comes Ruth and the vote "soared" to 22% ...the EU vote it was 11% ..now unless my maths is even worse than I suspect 22% is less than that disatrous 24% of the 80's .Ruths own constituency returned a vote of 33% for the SNP .She's every bit as incompetent and as much of a liar as Mrs May...but if you really really want her ,you're very welcome to take her .Thank you ..one less toxic tory to listen to here .

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 21:26:08

I agree if the wishes or the majority to leave the UK have changed then you have every right to leave.

Not sure if they have though or it’s just a Brexit protest? That’s for Scotland to decide.

I think you would have adopt the euro and I think I that would be bad for your economy but it’s Scotland's choice

Take Nicola but leave Ruth. grin

GabriellaG54 Tue 28-May-19 14:48:28

As I've said on another thread, I agree that, if you want to leave, then you should have the right to negotiate. The fact remains that the majority in Scotland chose to stay within the UK but the landscape has changed.

If Scotland chooses to negotiate leaving you will have to convince all those who chose to stay but I believe in you having the option of trying.

Tweet NS and your local MP.
We on GN cannot help you do this (unless the Scottish contingent can give more insightful comments)
I wish you luck.

Granny23 Tue 28-May-19 14:18:07

With the EU election results for Scotland very different from the results in England, I thought it was time to resurrect this thread.

I understand that 72% of voters chose Remain supporting parties. The SNP had approx 40% of the Scottish votes but under the current UK system that equates to only 4% of all votes cast across the UK.

How long can this disparity endure, when the wishes of people living in Scotland are always defeated by the 10x large electorate in England?