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How bad could things get after six more years?

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winterwhite Thu 30-May-19 09:58:31

Yesterday's morning papers carried reviews of a book on how to make proper meals out of tinned food from food banks, an article about long waits for GP appointments and another about the difficulty claimants have in contacting benefits agencies. Then on the 10 p.m news we saw heart-breaking examples of the state to which people are reduced because of cuts in social care funding, juxtaposed with a report on starvation and shortages of food and medicine in Venezuela after 6 years of bad government.
Just six years! 'We used not to live like this', said one elderly woman crouched over a candle. What could happen here if we have 6 more years of going downhill? 2025. A further 24 years apparently before we start seeing the benefits of Brexit.... Yet the problems of poverty, lack of housing and the care crisis have nothing to do with the EU. Jeremy Corbyn may be wrong about many things but he is right about that. How I hope that the Tory and Lib Dem leadership contenders concentrate first on how, and how quickly, they would tackle crises at home.

MaizieD Thu 30-May-19 10:07:53

I have my bingo card at the ready...

While ever we have a government that believes in shrinking the state (i.e opening up fresh opportunities for their big business funders to make more money) there is no hope of improvement. They will feed us the 'household budget' myth, which so many people have swallowed hook line and sinker, wring their hands in synthetic sorrow and say that it's dreadful but we (the UK) just can't afford it.

Urmstongran Thu 30-May-19 10:29:21

I’m not playing MaizieD!
Well, not until I’ve had a few fiscal lessons from you (which I am genuinely interested in having, by the way).

I shall just read this thread with interest.

Mind you - 6 years hence? We can’t keep up with what happens here politically in 6 months!

EllanVannin Thu 30-May-19 10:36:41

When people stop going on holiday, buying houses, cars and generally splashing out------then I'll panic !

Cazzab56 Thu 30-May-19 10:46:17

Totally agree that most people have a great lifestyle. People eat out all the time or have takeaways that was unheard of for earlier generations. Kids have phones with costly contracts, x boxes, foreign holidays. Poverty is not just about money it’s akso about lack of opportunities. I’m a great believer in that we are born with equal opportunities, free health, schooling, housing and compared to many many other countries we have amazing chances to work hard and have good lives. Let’s appreciate what we do have and stop moaning

4allweknow Thu 30-May-19 10:48:12

Venezuela is one of the richest countries in the world due to the natural reserves eg oil, gold, minerals of all kinds but as usual it's the big western companies that are getting richer and richer exploiting the native workers. Nothing changes in the pursuit of wealth.

Coco51 Thu 30-May-19 10:50:40

Some ‘people’ do not have all those things - it’s just that the well off don’t see the plight they are in and choose to close their eyes to the hardships of others.

polnan Thu 30-May-19 11:06:37

Brexit or Remain, I don`t think things will change much
old saying, the Rich get richer and the Poor get poorer. just look at history, no different...

wot Thu 30-May-19 11:13:06

Cazza, I totally agree with you. What many people regard as the norm: eating out several holidays a year, throw away fashion etc.

sarahellenwhitney Thu 30-May-19 11:13:16

What could have been worse than the years 1939-45when the WHOLE world was involved in a war that no one could for see an end to and you think its bad now .?
The world is still here and it may not be all roses and violets and there will always be the have and have not but as one GN said lets appreciate what we do have and STOP moaning.

Labaik Thu 30-May-19 11:13:41

'When people stop going on holiday, buying houses, cars and generally splashing out------then I'll panic'...we're talking about the population as a whole, not just your rich friends. What a horrible uncaring post sad….#sumsitupreally

Margaux Thu 30-May-19 11:19:16

Sadly, we're no longer a rich country. People go on about sixth larger economy and what not, and sure we keep busy, BUT BUT after the 2008 crisis - and a great deal of public borrowing - we were up to our necks in debt. Almost as bad as Greece.

Still, just think of all these people crossing the Mediterranean in rickety boats - of the Channel in dinghies - to get here because things like state benefits and free schools and hospitals are a think of wonder to them.

Oddly too, we are far better off than a much more divided US of A who'd give their back teeth for our free NHS - yes, even though we keep complaining about it.

Anyhow, on the positive side - there are more people employed here than in many other countries on the continent of Europe.

But if what you say is right ( haven't heard it, myself) that we need to wait 24 years to starts seeing the benefits of Brexit - TWENTY FOUR ????? - then, GOODNESS : can we afford to leave the EU? ????

crystaltipps Thu 30-May-19 11:24:55

Many people have stopped buying cars, houses and holidays - just look at the figures.

EllanVannin Thu 30-May-19 11:24:56

How is it " uncaring " Labaik ? I was actually being facetious if you did but realise !! It's all I seem to hear/read about.
No reference to" rich friends " either.
While on the subject of posts, some of yours leave a lot to be desired !

Menopauselbitch Thu 30-May-19 11:27:38

I have a restaurant that’s open in the day we also do deliveries. My main source of income comes from the poorest areas. They use foodbanks, they also order £60+ food orders weekly, they are all on benefits. Every flat I deliver to stinks of weed. That’s how our poorest live. My question is, if they can do all that on benefits why do others struggle so much???

Grany Thu 30-May-19 11:29:21

Then we need a Labour government to put things right Labour have a lots of excellent polices. What don't you like about Mr Jeremy Corbyn? I can understand people who read the papers the propaganda lies and smears against Corbyn would believe them as it's said repeat a lie often enough. But it's about polices the Labour Party socialism it's not personality politics. The Lib Dems along with Tories brought Austerity and changed the NHS in 2012 the health and social care act so that government a health minister woukd not be responsible for the NHS paving way for private companies big business to come in. Cameron said no top down reorganisation of the NHS before election but thats just what they did. Labour is for the many not the few rich.

Labaik Thu 30-May-19 11:45:37

I apologise if your comment was made 'tongue in cheek EllanVannin; I assumed it was a 'let them eat cake' comment. Can you tell me which of my posts offend you?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 30-May-19 11:58:00

Anyone watch Panarama. The special needs and disabled people can’t cope with 5 more minutes let alone 6 years.

Utterly depressing

Grany Thu 30-May-19 12:02:49

Oddly too, we are far better off than a much more divided US of A who'd give their back teeth for our free NHS - yes, even though we keep complaining about it.

The Tories are selling off our NHS Will move to a full US system with compulsory insurance.

Mcrc Thu 30-May-19 12:02:57

I don't think your country has anything to worry about. Great Britain has been the core of Western civilization for centuries. And neither does my country. Don't believe all the headlines that we are on the brink of disaster. The US and UK are fighters and survivors.

Mcrc Thu 30-May-19 12:06:08

Not sure how many Americans want NHS. i am not knowledgeable enough. But, I like how our taxes have been reduced, and I like choice.

Grany Thu 30-May-19 12:10:07

Here is a book written by Dr Paul Hobday with all proceeds from sale of book going to the fight to stop the sell off of our NHS

A real eye opener covers politics as well.

Labaik Thu 30-May-19 12:11:00

I'm not sure how the health care system works in the USA for people who are sick or unemployed etc. Can you enlighten me?

Deed5y Thu 30-May-19 12:14:11

If taxes are reduced, then obviously there is less money for the things that make our lives better - like the NHS, schools, hospitals, roads, etc., etc. I simply don’t understand why people think it’s a good thing to pay less tax and still expect the country to be wonderful. It’s a privilege to earn enough to pay taxes and as for those rich people who have so much money and still try to avoid paying tax ..... leaves me speechless!

Callistemon Thu 30-May-19 12:47:41

Many people have stopped buying cars, houses and holidays - just look at the figures.
Have they though?
We've just spent a long weekend away at a south coast resort which was absolutely packed with families and it was difficult to find anywhere to park or a place to sit in a café or restaurant.

Presumably the rich were not there as they would have flown off on their private jets, nor were those who were struggling.
But there is a vast swathe of the population who seem to be able to still enjoy life as well as helping others less fortunate.