How bad could things get after six more years?

Anniebach- totally agree with your post.

Why can it not be accepted , there are some people on benefits living a comfortable life , there are some people earning high salaries who are not greedy and grasping.

Not all Tory supporters live ‘in the shires ‘ , not all labour supporters live in inner cities.

Urmstongran I know of a couple both on benefits who have 3 children who have just come back from a 10 day "all-inclusive" holiday to Turkey.

They manage to get away every year, which is more than some people I know who work????

I like MPB post:
I have a restaurant that’s open in the day we also do deliveries. My main source of income comes from the poorest areas. They use foodbanks, they also order £60+ food orders weekly, they are all on benefits. Every flat I deliver to stinks of weed. That’s how our poorest live. My question is, if they can do all that on benefits why do others struggle so much???

This is from a person wot knows! Doesn’t fit with the bleeding hearts narrative of the poor though does it - so no comments on it. Whoosh!!

New cars can have teething problems maybe still under guarantee but never the less can be inconvenient and considering new shouldn't have happened plus the moment they leave the show room drop in value. On two occasions have I bought new and vowed never again.

Margaux

Thus is what the government are doing.

www.redpepper.org.uk/the-government-is-trying-to-rebrand-nhs-privatisation/

bruff
I agree with you. Collect the taxes from the les of Amazon etc Then vote Labour for a fairer society

Goodness me I read some of these posts and picture the person writing seating in there mortgage free house, scrolling through the latest holiday book for there next cruise. I’m alright jack comes to Mind. I watched the panorama bbc1 programme on social care and felt so angry. Sure there are scrounges using the system we all see that every day, but it’s the genuine people in distress that are not getting the help that they desperately need. As for tax, if Amazon and the rest paid tax, and we reduced the amount of foreign aid we send
To countries where we never sure it gets to where it should we would have the money, which we have anyway to look after those who genuinely need help. As for politics, and Brexit
I voted to join the common Market, no one at the that time told me the minute we left we couldn’t afford a lamb joint or butter would be of the shopping list, because we would have to start paying subsidies to other countries. And that there would end a block of 28. We have been on our own for thousands of years. We.ll be fine when we & if we ever leave. Also let’s have a General Election Get a labour government in. Ask the DUP for the Billion pounds back the Tory’s paid them to stay in government, that should help out a bit with care. Right that’s me done Happy Fridays everyone

It is not a case of being moaner if you need social care to stay alive and you can't get it due to budget cuts.

Not all of us are living an easy life.
Rural poverty can be harder than urban because of things like almost no public transport.
There are no resources to get help from.

Most deprivation is being hidden.
That many can afford holidays might be true but how do you know it's not all paid for by credit card?

In the 1980s the Royal Statistical Society, a very well respected learned body founded in 1834, for the first time in its existence, spoke out against a government when Margaret Thatcher redefined unemployment for the 19th time.

Surely an honest definition of employment would be "employed for as many hours as it takes to earn a living wage"?

I have no idea where the UK would stand in international league tables by that measure but I suspect we would be pretty low down the order of decent, democratic, developed, countries.

Anyhow, on the positive side - there are more people employed here than in many other countries on the continent of Europe.

As people who work one hour a week are counted as 'employed' in the employment figures I don't think that this is a particularly reliable indicator of the absence of poverty.

Do some people find the idea of their fellow citizens living in poverty so dreadful that they prefer to close their eyes and minds completely to the idea?

Well, those are the people that can still afford it. Why does that show that lots of other people who aren't there can afford it also?

My thoughts too, Labaik

The fact that people can do this is not evidence that everyone can. It's a really strange argument.

Bingo card is getting filled, I'm afraid.

Please provide proof that the US is more divided than the UK-

Currently, both are experiencing similar to different degrees in similar areas-

Prosperity takes up more real estate than necessary- It drives a higher number of resident families out of their smaller spaces and storefronts to make room for the few with the finances to afford the new rents and rates, including the ever increasing number of tourists perpetually spinning through its turnstiles-

The process of prosperity drives some people into impoverished conditions and others into plentiful-

Those pushed out by the wave of wealth experience psychological and financial hardship- As a result they enter into the maze of the social service qualifying process which is designed only for the brave to navigate and the faint of heart to fall by the wayside-

Keep in mind that landlords can legally use credit scores and background checks to accept or refuse who to rent to-

Those that strive, and eventually qualify, settle into their impoverished lairs to eat pizza and smoke pot after the nerve wracking procedure-

As Americans become accustomed to maneuvering disparity and scarcity, many are choosing to live together under the same roof-

I didn’t say no one had a car or went on holiday - but have you seen the figures for new car buying? The industry is in the doldrums- people just hanging onto their old cars, also any estate agent will tell you how hard it is to sell in some areas, plus prices have fallen. Travel. Companies also tell of a difficult time and how they have cut prices. This may be a good thing in many ways, but not if you work in those industries or are trying to sell your house.

Well, those are the people that can still afford it. Why does that show that lots of other people who aren't there can afford it also?

crystaltipps
Try a visit to Cornwall on a Bank holiday and I'll show you cars and people on holiday.

Hi Margaux

This video An evening with Dr Bob Gill will explain everything. He made a film The Great NHS Heist through crowdfunding

m.youtube.com/watch?v=w2c3lQsvkZ4&t=184s

I thought after I'd written it that 'bad' wasn't the word I meant to use...I should have used 'prevalent' or something similar. My friend just used to stress that people always thing of poverty as being something that only happened in towns and cities; she does a lot of work with CAB in her rural area.

Poverty is debilitating regardless of where you live or the causes Labaik, it gets right to the heart and soul of a person and community.

..a friend of mine who lives in Yorkshire has always stressed the point that rural poverty is as bad as urban poverty...

And we must remember that schools and hospitals are still under terrible pressure financially; I assume teachers are still leaving the profession in droves [DD left teaching last year even though she loved it; the pressure just got too great].

Living in Cornwall and coming from the industrial North East I can see the vast difference in rural and urban poverty.
The poverty is different and it isn't just the North / South divide, but it's still poverty.

I can see the difference in the families that come on holiday, the many many wealthy people who have a second home or even a few that have more, as they have bought a little getaway surfing pod for their teenagers. The families who have probably saved up for months for their family getaway in caravans and tents who pray it's a flipflop kinda day and not the wellies.

Wealth and success often go hand in hand with privilege, those from a privileged background get the benefits from the moment they are conceived. There are those who can and will succeed in life but they are often the exceptions rather than the rule, luck plays a huge part as much as hard work.

Education, Health, Hope and Opportunity is what every politician should be trying their best to provide for the population and then, we can improve things for ourselves. Without these basic needs being met we haven't a cat in hells chance of ever changing anything no matter who is in No: 10's throne of swords

I know there are people who are struggling. But I went to a large retail complex yesterday. It was absolutely rammed. And the cafes/restaurants/sandwich shops - queues outside each and every one. Yes it's half-term and some people may have been there with the kids as a treat out of the ordinary but they were spending like the clappers.

Winterwhite, I certainly don't think it's 'moaning' if you are saying we should be paying more taxes. But if some people already feel the squeeze, it will mean more, not less, squeeze.

Yes I watched Panorama.....so depressing.