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Anja Mon 17-Jun-19 06:49:56

If that load of idiots is the best that’s in offer for the next PM then ‘We’re Doomed!’.

Riverwalk Mon 17-Jun-19 06:58:04

I didn't watch it Anja - refuse to allow the Tory party in-fighting any more of my brain time than is absolutely necessary!

I don't know why the national broadcasters are showing these hustings - 99.9% of us have no say in the matter.

Cindersdad Mon 17-Jun-19 07:31:09

Apart from Rory Stewart none of them inspire me. Dominic Raab stands out the most odious looking to disregard parliament.

Why do they keep going to the 2016 vote which was riddled with lies and misunderstanding. Remember Boris Johnson admitted lying yet still gets away with it. BOJO especially and the rest of them are not fit for purpose.

A second referendum and/or a general election is the only way forward. We need PR to give us a proper day in the future. Deliberate lying to win elections or referenda to be a criminal offence.

tanith Mon 17-Jun-19 07:31:11

Children in a playground came to mind when I saw a snippet on the news 👺

Iam64 Mon 17-Jun-19 07:47:13

Missed it as I was binge watching a series on Netflix. I've looked at reviews on line and may watch on catch up when I'm doing my ironing later. That's about the level of my enthusiasm for this contest.
I'm still so cross that a group of largely white, older, middle aged men are going to select our next PM. This at a time when the country is in dire straits. Taxes, public services, crime, education, health - where do the potential leaders stand on that. I can't see any way out of this unless there's a general election soon after Doris wins the contest and the country has a say.

goldengirl Mon 17-Jun-19 09:51:50

What bugged me was the constant interruptions when someone was speaking! How childish and ignorant. And these are people who want to run the country! The best man [yes, all male note!] I thought was Rory Stewart

Urmstongran Mon 17-Jun-19 10:00:18

I think with the selected audience it was Channel 4's cunning plan to attack tories. Well done Boris!

EllanVannin Mon 17-Jun-19 10:06:06

I didn't watch this but I'd said a week or two back " God help us all ".
Apologies to all those who support Rory Stewart but to my mind he's not leader material and is as weak as water !
As prisons minister this character seems only interested in the " house-keeping" side of crime grousing about the lack of cleanliness in prisons.They're prisons for God's sake !!
Grime is par for the course ! Isn't it ?

We need someone who is tough and assertive with a genuine interest in the public, someone who has the courage of their convictions. Sadly, there isn't anyone of that calibre.

EllanVannin Mon 17-Jun-19 10:06:59

* they're prisons.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:08:08

Channel 4 gets funding from the EU.

Good on Boris for not being part of the bear pit!!!

Looking forward to seeing what he has to say on BBC tomorrow!

Whitewavemark2 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:10:07

It was truly dreadful. I have never heard such a load of piffle in my life.

Urmstongran Mon 17-Jun-19 10:13:52

I didn’t realise the EU helps fund Channel 4 GrannyGravy13

That explains the bias!

silverlining48 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:24:32

But Boris is surely part of the bear pit as you call it GG. Actually it was all very polite.
I think it’s concerning that he has yet to give an interview anywhere and is represented on the today or any other programme by ‘supporters’ standing in fir him. Certainly his advisers are trying to keep him away from answering questions, worrying about him making more gaffs, which is probably wise of them but is this man the best we can find to lead the country, he seems only a slightly more affable Trump.
I too look forward to Tuesday.

Urmstongran Mon 17-Jun-19 10:31:19

“Silence is golden as Boris's lectern wins Tory televised debate” says John Crace this morning in the Graun.

‘Rory Stewart’s calculated weakness played to viewers at home, but the elephant in the room won the day”

Whitewavemark2 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:32:17

The only plan a single one of them had for Brexit was Mays plan and that was Stewart. The rest just tried to sound macho about it all.

They were all part of the government that trashed our public services some to the point of collapse.

Then when on to say that their priorities were —public services. Lies, lies, lies.

CarlyD7 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:35:00

This is not a general election - it's between the MPs and then the Tory members. Why is it using up viewing time? Why is it using up OUR precious time? Personally, I am sick and tired of the in-fighting in the Tory party - that's what got us into this whole Brexit mess in the first place. None of them deserve to be PM.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:38:13


lemongrove Mon 17-Jun-19 10:38:26

anja I doubt that they are really idiots ( any more than a bunch of Labour hopefuls vying for the top job).
Pitting yourself against fellow MP’s, for any Party, is always going to be difficult.
Tbh, I think the whole televised debate scenario, that seems obligatory now for politics is a waste of time.They all are setting out their stall and hoping you will buy their goods, but viewers ( even if tempted by the goods for sale) can quickly find that the goods are not nearly so appealing once the candidate has won.They turn out to be broken,dog eared,or not for sale at all.
Since the Party itself (members) will select from the last two,
It hardly matters anyway.

counterpoint Mon 17-Jun-19 10:45:03

@GrannyGravy13 Could you say what makes you think Channel 4 receives EU funding?

GrandmaKT Mon 17-Jun-19 10:48:13

Having done a quick search, I can find no evidence of Channel 4 receiving funding from the EU. Could someone post a link?

polnan Mon 17-Jun-19 10:51:29

I agree with you CarlyD7

everything is much too intrusive nowadays, and digressing, all the Royal Family rubbish. ARGH!

not debating, what little I saw of it... kids in playground, and that is disrespectful to kids.. as someone has commented

God help us

Theoddbird Mon 17-Jun-19 10:53:02

Margaret Thatcher refused to take part in a similar debate when she was running for prime minister. Preferring to let them argue. She did eventually take part in debates...when the list had whittled down.

lemongrove Mon 17-Jun-19 10:53:44

If you think that was poor Polnan.....just wait for the next general election!

Sealover Mon 17-Jun-19 10:57:28

Check out Radio 4 programme last Friday called Rethinking Representation. I think it was on at 11am. Excellent. Makes the Channel 4 debate shameful. So refreshing to hear a 'political programme in a measured, calm and SO sensible.People have short memories, it's not long since Jeremy Hunt brought the NHS to its knees, Michael Gove the education system. So many apologies made for Boris who has a penchant for offending people. Potential leaders of the country? So scary.

sue01 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:58:00

Theoddbird is spot on. Boris is being well advised. If it is the new lady in his life who has planned his campaign, they are indeed a formidable team.