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Why do Conservatives like Johnson?

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Alexa Wed 19-Jun-19 09:06:02

Most of the Conservative MPs are intelligent , I must suppose. I am not being sarcastic, I truly dont know why they want Johnson.

suttonJ Wed 19-Jun-19 10:50:32

Trisher...you are a star!

suttonJ Wed 19-Jun-19 10:48:42

Some years back, Johnson was sacked from the opposition front bench, by then Tory Leader Michael Howard, for an alleged affair with a younger woman who ended up having an abortion. Johnson was married to someone else at the time. Just one of his many alleged infidelities.
Would you want your daughter to be involved in his 'team'?
Whilst acknowledging that we all have frailties, surely we can expect more from our political leaders than what is offered by this self seeking, egotistical, womanising chancer.

trisher Wed 19-Jun-19 10:45:29

It's simple, he's a bit of a posh boy-(went to the right schools and uni), so he's traditional. He's a bit of a media star (HIGNFY) so they know his name. He's a bit of a bad boy (but it's all healthy hetero stuff and men sow wild oats don't they) so they are being a bit daring. He's promising to go ahead with Brexit. What more could they want? (This is all what I imagine Conservatives think, my views on him aren't printable!)

GracesGranMK3 Wed 19-Jun-19 10:41:07

Rory Stewart doesn’t want Brexit.

I have a feeling UG, that whether he wants it or not, he seems to believe we should leave because it was voted for. He is the only one who recognises that in order to get it through he needs to negotiate, not with the EU but with Parliament and the country.

However, that explains why Stewart is most popular outside the Conservative Party membership but not why Johnson is popular with the group.

As an outsider, this group seem to me to be very able to suspend disbelief.

A survey of Conservative and Unionist Party members by YouGov suggests a majority of them would prefer Brexit took place to a host of scenarios, including 61 per cent in favour of it even if it caused “significant damage to the economy”.

"Almost two-thirds of the members would be willing to allow Scotland to leave the United Kingdom, and 59 per cent would rather Northern Ireland left than Brexit not taking place at all."

In an article in the New Statesman, Steven Bush suggests that it is this very suspension of disbelief that makes them able to put Brexit above these possible disasters. They simply refuse to believe they could happen.

He notes however that the only thing they would sacrifice Brexit for is a victory against Jeremy Corbyn - because they believe that is a possible outcome.

So currently the remaining rump of the Tory Party members will put Brexit ahead of country, party or even their own future simply because they refuse to believe any possible negative consequences.

Johnson, it seems, showed that he too had suspended disbelief to the extent of promising a 'no deal' Brexit if a deal could not be made before the end of October. They also believe he is the one who could beat Corbyn. This leads me to think that all their faith, their sacrifice of realism and logic, is placed in Boris. They do not need to see the real man any more than they need to see the consequences of leaving the EU with or without a deal.

maxdecatt Wed 19-Jun-19 10:36:28

Apricity: Without endorsing Boris (I agree, he appears to be a buffoon) it is worth rememberiung that Churchill was laughed at and declared to be an absoulte waster. Nowadays people think of him as walking on water.

varian Wed 19-Jun-19 10:34:45

Why do Italians like Silvio Berlusconi or Beppe Grillo?

People vote for clowns.

Houndi Wed 19-Jun-19 10:32:32

Becauseche is bribing them with tax cuts.Retired pensioner's who werexin the top bracket as a wage owner will pay no NI and get a very nice increase with the less tax they are paying
He changing the tax threshold for those who earn over £40,000 up to £80,000 before you have to pay higher tax .So in a nutshell he is looking after his own and stuff the rest of us

EllanVannin Wed 19-Jun-19 10:22:47

On principle I wouldn't vote for any of them. I don't vote for traitors !
BJ thinks he knows everything and knows nothing !

Apricity Wed 19-Jun-19 10:22:38

Alexa, I think you have asked the really big question of the decade for the U.K. As an Aussie I freely admit that our politics are a complete basket case. But the disaster and chaos of U.K politics just leaves me weeping. Sadly, the Labour Party is not offering a credible alternative.

Every good government depends on a good opposition. UK Labour where the heck are you? My ancestors were part of your formation, don't deny that legacy.

My ancestry, my language and my culture are all proudly UK based and I am in absolute despair about what is happening in the U.K. That a total buffoon, a puff ball full of nothing but vanity, hot air and false claims like Boris is the top contender for Prime Minister of U.K. just leaves me speechless and gobsmacked. Please don't let it be true.

Paba24 Wed 19-Jun-19 10:16:00

I am with you Alexa, I don't understand it, he has shown that he is a liar, a cheat, a narcissist, I could go on .... why do they want someone like that in charge. All he has ever wanted was to be Prime Minister and it looks like he will get his life long wish to go into history. I Do not even understand why they are showing these debates on TV, the country does not get a say in it, it is targeted at approximately 120,000 people who are already members of the Tory party, the rest of the country can swivel we don't get a say. It is extraordinary, if it were fiction we would say that is not a believable story.

mokryna Wed 19-Jun-19 10:12:23

What about the lady languishing in a prison.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 19-Jun-19 10:10:44

Perhaps they want to watch him "crash and burn"!!!

He could be the the man that has the destruction of the Conservative Party during his Premiership?

optimist Wed 19-Jun-19 10:06:50

Agreed without doubt

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jun-19 10:03:46

Those who are most familiar with Johnson trust him the least. In fact they are the most critical that I have ever heard of a potential PM.

But still the denial, and little care for our country as long as they get brexit, which strangely in itself with Johnson is under question.

Nan27 Wed 19-Jun-19 10:03:33

I agree !

Anniebach Wed 19-Jun-19 10:02:24

Elvive. The O/P was questioning why Tory MP’s want Johnson .

I gave my opinion and as there is only one other party with a large number of MP’s I put that party forward as an example. Not much point in putting Cable forward as an example or Lucas .

spabbygirl Wed 19-Jun-19 10:01:33

I think he looks fun and funky if you don't listen to what he is saying, & that attracts some people but he is a dangerous liar who speaks without thinking (or maybe he does think & still talks crap!) & members mistake that for popularity and think he is going to rescue the party's declining membership. Any one of them is crap though, just look at their voting record which is more reliable than what they say.

lovebeigecardigans1955 Wed 19-Jun-19 09:57:57

Whatever his politics and motives he has charisma and seems popular with voters. Would you buy a used car from this chap? Time will tell.

Pollaidh Wed 19-Jun-19 09:57:22

Here it is
yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroyed

EllanVannin Wed 19-Jun-19 09:57:06

Don't trust BJ. The only one who does " look the part " is Sajid Javid.

Pollaidh Wed 19-Jun-19 09:55:03

They are barking. There is a You Gov poll just published that shows a frightening majority of conservative party members want Brexit at any cost - even the break up of the UK and economic damage. I shall try to find it....

GracesGranMK3 Wed 19-Jun-19 09:54:15

Following - I'd love to know the answer.

Elvive Wed 19-Jun-19 09:24:05

Do you like Corbyn , Annie? Only you seem to talk about him a lot. I think the question was about BJ.

Urmstongran Wed 19-Jun-19 09:22:17

Rory Stewart doesn’t want Brexit.
And Jeremy Hunt has been dubbed ‘Theresa May in trousers’. Same old carousel.

dragonfly46 Wed 19-Jun-19 09:21:35

As at the time of the referendum Johnson had a vote to leave in one pocket and a vote to stay in another I can also see at the last minute he may revoke Article 50. That would suit me as I think Brexit is a huge mistake and will have calamitous consequences.

However, Johnson is a philandering, lying mysogynist so it beats me how they are all fawning over him just because they think he is a vote winner. He was dreadful on the debate last night and is capable of bringing great harm to this country. Integrity seems to have gone out the window in British politics over all parties.