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Unaccompanied Child Refugees

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varian Thu 20-Jun-19 11:45:50

World Refugee Day, international observance observed June 20 each year, is dedicated to raising awareness of the situation of refugees throughout the world.

Labour Peer Lord Alf Dubbs, who was himself a child refugee, proposed The Dubs amendment, passed in May 2016, which required the government to act “as soon as possible” to relocate and support unaccompanied refugee children in Europe. MPs and campaigners hoped the Dubs scheme would resettle around 3,000 children but ministers controversially set a limit of 480, despite councils saying they could find space for far more. However, in November of last year, figures revealed in a parliamentary answer show less than half that number – 220 – have been transferred to the UK.

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/03/uk-admits-only-20-unaccompanied-child-refugees-in-two-years

These are very vulnerable children and need to be sponsored by local authorities who arrange fostering and other support services, but local authorities are willing to take more children. For instance in March, as a result of a local campaign, Wiltshire Council unanimously committed to welcome up to 100 refugee children over the next 10 years, as part of the national Safe Passage Our Turn campaign to call on central government to fund foster places.

www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17468750.pledge-to-welcome-100-child-refugees-in-wiltshire/

varian Sat 22-Jun-19 10:58:54

Swindon students words of welcome

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YNZYN4n0Wc&t=3s&fbclid=IwAR17xqNdCoMOPlWxueMNR4Gb4MBfI7CaWSIhZBwzPDCRwyrmArNMYaSwe2Q

Elvive Fri 21-Jun-19 23:10:05

Thank Ellan, it speaks to my soul.

EllanVannin Fri 21-Jun-19 22:55:30

A very appropriate song reflecting the turmoil of today. Sad !

Elvive Fri 21-Jun-19 22:43:45

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE3kKUEY5WU

EllanVannin Fri 21-Jun-19 11:23:14

I'm hoping that what our council proposes comes into fruition. It's a " Support for children out of care " programme to help with education and training, employment, accommodation, health and well-being, relationships and also taking part in their communities.

It's about 10 years+ too late of course, like everything else but at least it could set a precedent for what happens in the future as right now there's no aftercare/follow-up for those who've spent time in care.

We in Wirral have 800 children in care and 300 of them are aged between 13 and 18.

Elvive Fri 21-Jun-19 10:17:44

They are people, lets not forget that. A diverse group of people but for the sake of this conversation we will call them asylum seekers.

I think they should be efficiently supported to gain a foothold in their new home. They should be allowed to contribute ie work. Their skills, talents and resilience should be valued.

Anniebach Fri 21-Jun-19 10:14:15

Elvive. What do you think should be done with asylum seakers ?

Elvive Fri 21-Jun-19 09:35:20

Yes, they claim asylum. Then they sit in a rat infested hell hole ( thanks Serco), which is often miles away from anybody or anything. They have no funds for travel . They are not allowed to work and they are traumatised and broken.

Eloethan Fri 21-Jun-19 00:07:50

It's funny how many people start talking about "putting our own house in order" as soon as the issue of refugees or asylum seekers is raised.

Our home-grown poor come in very handy when making a case for denying help to refugees. But it seems to me that the very same people who use this excuse are often the ones who support politicians and governments who want to cut taxes for the better off, while reducing support for those in need.

suziewoozie Thu 20-Jun-19 22:08:34

I think it’s asylum seekers that are supposed to seek asylum in the first country they come to

quizqueen Thu 20-Jun-19 20:43:25

Refugees are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country they come to.

Anniebach Thu 20-Jun-19 20:33:41

Then so could the young on the streets ?

Elvive Thu 20-Jun-19 20:00:25

An adult refugee can get a job and earn a living and scrape together some kind of life possibly. An asylum seeker can be in limbo for 5, 6 7 years, existing on a pittance and forbiddenfrom working.

varian Thu 20-Jun-19 19:04:24

We should not, in a civilised country have teenagers sleeping on the streets, or older people for that matter. That is one issue I would like our new PM to address, but I'm not holding my breath.

Anniebach Thu 20-Jun-19 18:54:45

It’s heart over head. Teenagers will not be long in foster care, where then ?

There are teenagers sleeping on the streets now, will refugees be given shelter or once out of foster care on the streets ?

GrannyGravy13 Thu 20-Jun-19 17:59:02

GillT57 no problem ??

varian Thu 20-Jun-19 17:51:09

'Historic' UK decision outlaws arms sales for Saudi war on Yemen

www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/uk-decision-outlaws-arms-sales-saudi-war-yemen-190620110547372.html

About time!

paddyann Thu 20-Jun-19 16:15:01

Earlier today a court ruled that UK arms sales to Saudi Arabia throughout the war in Yemen have been unlawful.

Since the conflict, which has now claimed the lives of nearly 100,000 people, began the UK Government has permitted the sale of around £4.7 billion worth of arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

I raised the issue of export licenses to Saudi Arabia in the House of Commons earlier this afternoon and urged the UK Government not to appeal the court decision.

this from Stuart Hosie at Westminster today .

lemongrove Thu 20-Jun-19 15:31:14

All these claims as to which area has taken the most refugees
Are a bit silly, it’s the UK for heavens sake.
Let’s not become tribal about it.

mcem Thu 20-Jun-19 15:26:59

Without having detailed numbers I 'd just like to add that Scotland has taken 4x times the number of refugees that Greater London has (adjusted on per capita basis) and 2years ahead of target set for UK.

2 points
1. we can and do welcome refugees.
2. the SG does have priorities other than independence despite frequent accusations.

GillT57 Thu 20-Jun-19 15:24:10

Absolutely right paddyanne, if we as the west feel entitled to interfere in other countries then we are morally obliged to help those affected by the fallout. One of the saddest things I heard was the UK family trying to legally adopt the young Iraqi lad who had been fostered by them since arriving in the UK. He was educated here, friends, etc., and then the Home Office ( the dept of humanity) decreed that when he was 18 he was to be sent back. Sent back to a country he had little memory of, a country which the West had blown to buggery.

lemongrove Thu 20-Jun-19 15:23:29

No, the West has not been the aggressor, it was Assad, helped by the Russians and also rogue Muslim groups.
We so not ‘owe’ anything but it is the decent thing to do to take a share of genuine Syrian refugees.Which we are doing.
It is difficult to ascertain age,and some will always slip through the net.

GillT57 Thu 20-Jun-19 15:19:25

GG13 I apologise if I misinterpreted your comment and I agree with what you say about getting our own house in order so that we may help others. It is good to hear of young refugees making a success of their new lives, people who will make a valuable contribution to the society which gave them a home. Sadly, many only see the case of the refugee who was fostered and then went on to be radicalised and become the Parson's Green bomber. I fully expect this case to be brought up in this discussion to illustrate the poster's prejudices. Apologies again for misunderstanding.

lemongrove Thu 20-Jun-19 15:18:09

Thank you for all the information on this suziwoozie
Nice to have some real facts regarding numbers!

paddyann Thu 20-Jun-19 15:15:10

You really cant go by how some young people look to "age" them .My just turned 16 year old GS could be at least 5 years older by looks.He's over 6 foot tall and has a beard .Young people from Syria etc tend to look older too because or beards and a more muscular build.
I think morally we OWE these young folk a decent start in life after all its mainly the west who has caused the destruction of their homes countries and lives ....there is a new scheme in Scotland where refugees will be able to work to provide for themselves and their families ,where necessary those in the medical profession will be fast tracked through any additional training they need to work in the NHS .Surely it makes sense if we take them we give them the means to live a better life .