Tory Islamophobia

I have not got a problem with Muslims.

I have a problem with the likes of Daesh, the radical Imams and the terrorists who blow up children at pop concerts, drive cars into tourists on a bridge in London and who go after people on a night out in and around Borough Market. These Terrorists were all followers of what I can only describe as Radical Islam.

Does that make me Islamaphobic?

who is talking about political allegiance here?

Surely your friends make comments- not necessarily political mais on people, TV presenters, life situations ...

I do not think I know the political allegiance of a single one of my friends, although I might hazard a guess.

Do you mean that you are openly Islamophobic Johno?

BTW, we all base part of our opinion on our own experiences- and of course, those are not necessarily reflective of the reality out there. But, here goes- I don't personally know of a single Labour supporter who is anti-semitic. All the Conservatives I know personally are, to a small or very large extent, Islamophobic.

Great. I might vote Tory.

monica thank you for your explanation. And yes I see your point entirely which is why I have largely held off from the debate. However, the thread relating to the Labour Party has been running now in its various guises for 2 years and I thought it was time to try to bring some balance.

I can quite easily with examples from as far back as 1834 to the present day give miriad examples of Tory anti-Semitism as well as undoubtedly a thread giving examples of Labour islamaphobia.

But what is needed is balance. Obsessing on one area simply doesn’t do that, and it seems unfair and gives an entirely false picture of the true state of racism in the UK today.

As has been stated, racism is all around us in the society we live in, and at times within each and every one of us. However, it is how individuals and organisations deal with those thoughts and challenges that determine what they are in terms of controlling racism, and the respect (or not) that they command.

Of course, some will only see racism where they wish to find it, and in that deny it exists where they do not wish to find it. Those persons in their attitudes are the most destructive to any society, as that can be highly divisive as history has so often shown us.

Both our leading political parties have those who hold racist bigotry within their membership and all those in executive positions should make every effort to eradicate those persons from membership of the party.

For the Labour Party/movement that is an enormous challenge due to the sheer size of its membership. However, in the Conservative Party with a much smaller number, we witness persons being expelled due to their outright Islamophobic statements and then re-admitted just days or weeks later.

We also have in the Tory Party the potential future Prime Minister of our society stating that Muslim women wearing their religions headdress as looking like "letterboxes."

The above is hardly a discouragement to others in that party to curb their racist views.

Labour and Conservatives slagging each other off .Like children in a play ground
'You're more anti-semitic than me-e'
'You're more Islamaphobic than me-e'

Pots calling kettles black anyway round you want it, if you are worried about the black, take any other colour of your choice in its place. The saying will sound daft, but we will let that rest.

Anyway, to quote Shakespeare - 'a plague on both their house'. They are both as bad as each other.

Johnson remark about letterboxes and bank robbers, prompted a number of anti-Muslim remarks on his Facebook page made by Tory members and councillors.

Johnson anti Muslim sentiments were also linked to the far right in Europe, and the MCB accused Johnson of pandering to the far right.

Fabricant also tweeted a cartoon character of Sadiq Khan having sex with a pig. Despite huge representation and concern over the matter nothing was ever done and Fabricant simply walked away from the disgusting tweet.

When Johnson was running for mayor he was advised by Lyton Crosby a Tory party activist.

Crosby told Johnson to ignore the “fucking Muslims” in his campaign.

monica I’m a wee bit puzzled by your statement about pot calling the kettle black, who do you mean?

Talking about pots calling the kettle black. Talk to many rank and file Labour members and they are as Islamophobic as any Conservative.

The reason all Nigel Farage's parties get so many votes from across the political spectrum, apart from supporting Brexit, is the essentially fascist, racist and Islamophobic ideas that ride behind it. This has never been more clear than in the crumbling of UKIP and the speed with which, after Farage left, the extreme right policies of so many of its members came to the fore.

Labour and Conservative voters have left to follow these parties because they long to be white supremacists again.

Ilamophobia seems to back decades in the Tory party. You could argue that it is endemic within the party.

Former Prime minister Thatcher was accused of Islamophobia by Saki Badawi the chairman of the Mosque Council after her remarks over the 2001 bombings.

The MCB has called for an independent enquiry, this call has been backed up by George Osborne, Baron Mohammed Sheikh and Mohamed Amin.

The allegations against the three above were made by the MCB and many other organisations eazybee. I do not make those sort of allegations without evidence.

Baroness Warsi stated that Islamaphobia in the Tory party is poisonous.

In your opinion.
And only Conservative politicians swear?

Who is likely to benefit from not holding an enquiry?

Boris Johnson

Micheal Gove

Zak Goldsmith

Well surprise, surprise. Johnson has backtracked on the promise to hold an enquiry into Islamaphobia in the Tory party.

Almost certainly because he would be implicated.

I hope the Muslim Council make their feelings known.

EllanVannin Do not confuse cultural traditions that justify themselves by claiming they are religiously decreed with what that religion actually teaches.

Many Christian groups are also homophobic, claiming that this is sanctioned by Gods teaching, but actually, no where in the New Testament is there any mention of homosexuality.

How does it sit with those who decry Islamophobia in the Tory party when those who follow Islam are also homophobic and honour killers ?

Baroness Warsi speaks the truth

Margaret Hodge, Ruth Smeeth , Chuka Ummuna, Luciana Berger, Frank Field and many more , were just anti Corbyn

whataboutwhatery.

Whataboutery

I am no Conservative apologist, but if Islamaphobia is as endemic among the Conservatives as anti-semitism in Labour we would have torrents of examples coming out day after day, after day - and we don't.

I am sure there are Islamophobes in both parties, but Islamaphobia is a candle to the football stadium lights of Laburs problems with anti-smitism.

www.businessinsider.com/islamophobia-scandal-conservative-party-goes-right-up-to-the-top-baroness-warsi-interview-2018-6?r=US&IR=T

Could you have imagined Churchill acting like that ? Or even Mrs Thatcher for that matter ?