Lib Dems Leadership

I hear Pritty Patel is bringing back the death penalty for all remainers

POGS This poll was commissioned by The Times which reported the doubling in the last week of the number of former Conservative voters who now say they would voted LibDem.

As you say The Times has a paywall and I am not subscriber but by googling you should be able to reach the first part of the report before it puts up the paywall.

Ms Patel may be pretty be name but not by nature

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MawBroonsback Fri 26-Jul-19 12:52:16
I agree!

Varian

I wonder how the Times knows that?

The poll certainly did not make that point.

Ah well.

* POGS* If you look at the YouGov chart you will see that 14% of the respondants who voted Conservative in 2017 would now vote LibDem.

This poll was taken this week. The Times would have compared this result with previous results.

Perhaps some GNetter who is a Times subscriber might post the whole report.

varian

Thank you for bearing with me.

I am genuinely not being obtuse for the hell of it. I truly can't find that information, as I said I must be missing something.

Thanks anyway it is a minor issue and I will accept what you say.

If you click on this link,-

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/07/24/voting-intention-con-25-lib-dem-23-lab-19-brex-17-

then scroll down to "full results here", you should be able to see the charts POGS

The Brexit Party has flopped in its first attempt to win council seats, and may have helped hand power to the Remain-backing Liberal Democrats.

The hardline Brexiteers stood in by-elections for two wards in Leave-backing Gloucester and trailed in third and fourth places. The party had more votes in one ward than the margin between the victorious Lib Dems and Boris Johnson’s Tory party, which came in second.

It has been expected that the LibDems will do well in areas which voted Remain but Gloucester voted 58.5 per cent Leave in the 2016 referendum.

Maybe some Gloucester voters have had a rethink since 2016.

Or maybe they were actually voting for who they want on their council, rather than pretending it was a mini GE.

Jo Swinson, leader of the Liberal Democrats, writes in "The Observor"-

The forces of nationalism and populism have risen in our country with chilling consequences. To beat them we need to rally a liberal movement – bigger and stronger than ever before. I believe that the Liberal Democrats have proved that we are the beating heart of that movement, with our successes at the local and European elections. As the new leader, it is my biggest priority to grow this movement and take on Johnson, Corbyn, Nigel Farage and the rest.

To build that liberal force our country needs, I will work with whoever shares our values in whatever shape or form. The risk to the future of our country is so severe that this is not the time for political tribalism and pettiness. Let me be blunt – if there are MPs who believe Brexit can be stopped, that Johnson, Corbyn and Farage must be stopped, that Britain deserves better, then work with us, join us. My door is always open.

And my message to everyone who sits on the sofa and shouts at the television when watching Johnson’s blustering bravado is clear: politics is not a spectator sport. If you want to stop Brexit, if you want to keep our family of nations united, if you think we can build a richer, greener and safer future, then join me, join us. Together we can do this. Together we can change politics and transform our country.

Now that sounds like leadership.

I actually was annoyed for her on Politics Live last week.

What an obnoxious man Labour MP Clive Lewis is, he just wouldn't let the woman speak.

Mind you nothing new there with him.

Hmm. I'm not sure about JS but I am glad she is going to work with "whoever shares our values". but saddened that doesn't seem to extend to Brexit.

Jo Swinson is actively working with like-minded politicians and others across the political spectrum to stop brexit.

Will Johnson dare call a general election when he could lose his own seat? He has a slender majority in this remain-voting constituency.

Hear from the woman who is standing to take Johnson's seat in Uxbridge-

"In Uxbridge and South Ruislip, Boris Johnson is big on words, little on action"

www.libdems.org.uk/little-action

I feel I have no option but to vote Liberal now that my previous allegiances have been torn away by Johnson and Corbyn. However, I quite like Jo Swinson but my goodness she requires some help lowering her speech range and slowing down her delivery.

I agree Lovetopaint, she is almost hysterical

Margaret Thatcher had to have voice training.

grow stuff, I mentioned Thatcher's voice training the first time I heard Jo Swinson speak in her campaign. Hopefully, her advisors will be on to this and get her involved in voice coaching (yoga and meditation) asap.
I can criticise her politics when the Libs were in cahoots with the Conservatives. As an older woman with experience of ho tough the workplace can be for younger women, I'd hope not to see her dismissed in the way so many women are as over emotional or heaven forbid, hysterical.

Iam I said she was almost hysterical, it’s true, she needs help to lower her tone and speak more slowly. This is not dismissing her as a hysterical woman, i would say the same if a man spoke so loudly and as such speed.

I want to hear her, but I find it difficult.

Jo Swinson is a young(ish) woman with an attractive voice. Having been first elected to parliament in 2005, she is well used to speaking in public. She is passionate about politics yet is one of the least hysterical people you could ever meet. One of the profiles written recently reveals an altogether different aspect of Jo.

"There is one word that nearly everyone uses about Swinson: prepared. She has always been someone that is ultra organised and likes to be extensively briefed before taking part in TV interviews or House of Commons debates. A number of sources told us that the briefing pack she wanted for her BBC Question Time appearances was three or four times bigger than those given to other Lib Dem colleagues.

"I’ve never come across someone who over-prepares for everything like her," one source said. "She wants everyone's viewpoint so you’re never sure where an idea comes from." Allies said this was in part due to a lack of confidence, especially early on (she entered parliament aged 25), and partly because of her nature. "She’s become more confident in herself over the years," one said. "It’s still there, and will always be there, but not to the same extent."

www.buzzfeed.com/emilyashton/jo-swinson-new-liberal-democrat-leader-profile

Annie, my comment about 'hysteria' wasn't only in response to your words, it's more about the fact that 'hysterical' is one of the age old derogatory comments made towards women who find their voice and have the nerve to use it.

Freud was classic wasn't he. All those women with emotional and psychological difficulties who claimed to have been sexually abused. Freud found it easier to dismiss them as hysterical than to consider the fact so many men/fathers could behave abusively.

varian, I'm a Jo Swinson supporter. I want to see the LibDems win more seats and have a greater voice in Parliament. Annie isn't the only person though, to have commented that Jo would benefit from some voice coaching. No offence intended.

Iam this has nothing to do with sexually abused women.

Good grief it’s wrong to say a person borders on hysterical
because of Freud.

Jo only pauses for breath if someone else speaks and then she has problems listening because she wants to talk again.

And in no way was I being offensive, should I be more politically correct and say what ?