Is this the face of fascism?

"who is not a politician" - but you praised him earlier for being an adept politician.

Sorry ladies - you are both Mark 2 & 3 I’ve just noticed and I think that’s why I’ve been attributing the wrong digits as it were...
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In the UK the Head of State is unchanging whatever the political colour of the party with a majority in Parliament. He/she has no political affiliations and asks a leader who appears to be able to formulate and carry through an effectively supported policy to form a government. That leader has been elected as an MP, has probably served in some capacity in cabinet, and has been elected as leader of a successful party by its members.

In the USA, a millionaire monkey with powerful millionaire friends but no political or public service experience whatsoever could get enough votes in the electoral college by promising enough people positions of power and buying/calling in support enough from media tycoons, marketing magicians and business pressure grouips to influence the popular vote. If necessary, he could get help from foreign sources whose interests would be assisted by having a monkey in power.

I know which I prefer.

That’s a neat fit WW.
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Does it just mean I admire a straight talking, strong leader, who is not a politician, who puts his country first and won’t have it’s citizens taken for a ride?

Not at all GGMk2 I just wanted to demonstrate how popular DT is by being voted for in America rather than May just winning a leadership contest (and by default as other candidate had pulled out anyway).

Her vision for our future wasn’t put to the ballot box. Neither is Boris’ or Hunt’s. A huge difference in the way any of them might appeal (or not) to the electorate and Trump’s canvassing and rallies.

Trump is racist. If you continue to support Trump that probably means that you are also racist.

So what should DT and America do? Just open all the doors and let the flood tide rip saying ‘Howdy y’all, come right in!’

What is the answer? What is it that the Democrats (and the so called ‘radical squad of four’) want?

It was Nancy Pelosi's knock down of the four young liberal members that started a feud between her and the progressive wing - but that internecine battle ended when Trump threw himself into the arena.

Trump is very popular in the South, even with minority groups and people of colour and they love he’s getting tougher on immigration.

Urmstongran, you do realise that the USA and the UK have different systems of democracy, don't you? I'm not sure what you mean by saying May didn't win an election. The Queen is our head of state not the PM and the Conservatives did win an election under May albeit with no outright majority. You seem to want us to leave the EU to become part of the USA instead.

Because they are desperate

Well word must have gotten around by now so can anyone tell me why these illegal immigrants keep trying to get over the border than from Mexico? I can’t underst why a mother would risk separation from her children. They obviously keep coming, but why.?

Yes Urm, Obama did build them but for a different purpose. They were just for an unexpected spike in the number of unaccompanied minors arriving at the border and sadly had to wait to be processed. Trump is using them for his family separation policy which is quite different. The details of tge 1000s separates - as young as a few months old in some cases, is heartbreaking and very different from what happened under Obama.

The Obama administration, not the Trump administration, built the cages that hold many immigrant children at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Unless we plan upon becoming the 51st (some say 53rd) state of America, we need to start looking seriously at what is happening here.

Nobody sees Donald Trump's tweets before he fires them off. Not that is would matter a whit as he behaves like a cruel, rich, spoiled child who cannot be taught kindness, common sense or restraint.

His latest attack - utterly racist and factually wrong - was launched because four female democratically-elected senators were horrified at the awful conditions for children in DT's detention camps on the Mexican border and said so.

Please read that bit in italics twice.

I don't really understand what is happening when our country is willfully rejecting an alliance of more moderate regimes in favour of cosying up to this bully for whom the accepted norms of diplomacy and humanity do not apply.

There is a reason why he likes and admires brutal dictators and regimes who starve or subjugate their own populations.

We are allowing this to happen and even encouraging it by making ourselves economically and diplomatically weak and dependent upon the good will of an unprincipled, unstable, unrestrained monster.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48997008

Meanwhile 160,000 scared right-wing (mainly) older (mostly) males get to choose our next PM from two buffoons who will not condemn DT outright because they are desperate for one of his meaningless and string-loaded deals.

Is this really what my grandparents and parents sacrificed for in two world wars?

Is it acceptable to kow tow to a man who repeatedly yells "Quiet" at any reporter whose question he doesn't like?

This, friends, is neither taking back control nor even a vague shadow of democracy.

Yes, he won by losing.
What a strange system the electoral college is.

Can I just point out that Trump won an election. Theresa May didn’t!
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Agreed that this behaviour gives bullying of anyone different, sexism and racism acceptability. How can any employer discipline an employee for this kind of behaviour which is unacceptable in the workplace or any teacher or parent speak to a child about bullying when the President gets away with it?

yes indeed varian. The man is dangerous in that he gives bigots and racists the idea that their belief systems are acceptable, in fact the right ones because their president says so.
My big concern is given Boris's response to the Potus dreadful abusive comments towards our Ambassador, does this suggest Johnson won't stand up to Trump, in fact not only will he not oppose his worst excesses, he'll support them

Trump's latest outrageous attack on citizens of the USA who have been elected by the people to high office is unbelievably racist.

"Go back to where you came from" is a classic racist trope, used by nazis, the klu klux klan, and the very worst type of nationalist politicians everywhere.

In normal times this appalling utterance would have been enough to exclude the perpetrator from any kind of elected office. In most parts of the USA, a person who said these things could not have been elected dog-catcher.

How far has the USA sink with this person in the White House and how far could we sink unless we stand up to him????

I see that Theresa May has finally reached the end of her tether/the end of term so she doesn't care any more - she's criticised Trump for his comments about the four senators. Go Theresa. WE live in hope that our next PM is as confident about telling Trump when he's out of order.

Good point, Dinahmo.

I see he's learned a new word though, 'inept' I wonder where he got it from....
As soon as I read that I thought the same!

Having just read MaizieD's quote from Trump's tweet, it can't have been written by him because it's far too articulate.

Told you, Ug. I'm not moving.

Well I would genuinely like to know what your answer are to MaizeD,s questions. Urm.

I’ve commented on all this before. It must get pretty boring to anyone reading this thread.

I’m not getting into a spat with you MaizieD

We shall just have to agree to disagree and move on.
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