31st October is going to be tight!

Never a fact or an argument where an insult will do as always Lemongrove.

It was a fact ?

No Lemongrove, it was a personal attack, as always. As I said I have yet to see you put forward an argument based on facts. Sticking a grin on does not make your unwillingness to put forward a reasoned argument when you disagree with someone else, any funnier.

Lemon's posts have always been probrexit. For a long, long time she urged us to be patient, to trust our negotiators and all would be well.
How patient do you expect us to be?
Hallowe'en is a very long shot!
I now believe that BJ will last a matter of weeks and a GE will finally see the fiasco ended.
However, such chaos and division had taken over the country that it will be a very long hard road to recovery.
That is when we'll need patience.

Yes, mcem my posts have always been proBrexit, which is a natural follow on as I voted to leave the EU.
I, and most of the country who did vote leave (and I bet quite a few who voted to remain) thought ( in our innocence) that as Parliament had accepted the outcome of the referendum and then gone on to trigger article 50, they would then go on to accept a reasonable withdrawal deal.
That didn’t happen.
I am keeping fingers crossed that Hunt will be the next PM,
But sadly think it will be Johnson.If there is a GE and Johnson crashes and burns, then I hope that Hunt will be the next PM after that!

But the great hitch with Lemongrove's scenario is surely that the only withdrawal deal put forward wasn't 'reasonable', it was less satisfactory than Remaining would be and this is why MPs voted against it.

I worry about what will happen in Northern Ireland if we go out without a deal. Are the troubles going to start up again? I hope Urmstongran is right and the business men will put pressure on. In my opinion it should have been business men who negotiated a deal not politicians who are all self serving.

Parliament and businesses have had over three years since the Referendum result to get prepared for leaving. This stalemate cannot go on for ever; the UK must be the laughing stock of the world. May's so called deal had nothing to do with discussing how future trade would be conducted and everything to do with ensuring the EU still received a pot of money from us for years to come while still calling all the tunes on future regulations to prevent the UK being fully independent.

You may of course be right GillT57 when you say I also note that you are an increasingly lonely voice; perhaps other brexiteers have seen the truth and are quietly regretting the chaos they have wrought.

But perhaps not?

I think a lot of Brexiteers read but don’t post! I sure as hell didn’t carry the referendum on my own.
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This isn’t just ‘my scenario’ winter but in any case, that wasn’t the reason that MP’s turned it down ( less satisfactory than remaining.) It’s that it wasn’t hard Brexit enough for a lot of ERG members, who could, had they voted for it seen it accepted.
Of course some remainer hard liners voted anything at all down, but there were enough on both sides that did agree with it, had those ERG members accepted it.Just!
It wasn’t a great deal, but we would have left in March and be getting on with trade deals by now.

Exactly Urmston am guessing that most who supported leaving the EU cannot be bothered to keep on
‘Keeping on’ on GN in the face of all the constant gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes by arch remainers.

Lemongrove you might get more people taking notice of you if you were factual. It wasn't "most of the country" who voted to leave, it was a percentage of the electorate. There is a big difference between the two.

Whaaaaat?
Does anyone read posts properly? Not you Dinah anyway, it seems.
Where have I said ‘most of the country’ who voted to leave?
Your own posts could be more factual.

28 opinion polls between 24 October 2018 - 5 July 2019 asked " If there was a referendum tomorrow, with the following options on the ballot paper, which would you support? The government’s Brexit agreement / Remaining in the EU / Don't know "

It is clear that there is a substantial majority of the UK voters who want us to REMAIN in the EU and it is shameful that they have been totally ignored for the last three years. Of those who expressed a opinion in the latest poll 63% want to remain, only 37% to leave.

whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-tomorrow-with-the-option-of-accepting-the-governments-brexit-agreement-or-remaining-in-the-eu-which-would-you-support/?removed

Article 50 should be revoked, then we can address all the other important issues which have been sidelined since the fraudulent referendum of 2016 and, at a later stage, decide whether or not we want to have another referendum when the true consequenses of the various theoretical brexit options are properly understood.

In case it isn’t obvious btw......most of the country who did
Vote to leave means ‘most leavers’.Go back and read it again.

Revoking won’t happen varian it would be political suicide for MP’s.

Revoking A50 might be political suicide for many MPs but MPs are supposed to serve the country, not their own ambitions lemongrove.
A No Deal Brexit would be suicide for the whole country - apart from the super rich!

I don’t think revoking is an option that MPs want to use. It would immediately lead to cries of denying democracy, meaning the vote. And as Lemon says, MPs are afraid of it being political suicide for themselves, and for their party.

We had Theresa May tell us 108 times we would leave the EU on the 29th March and now we have Boris our future PM in waiting who has told us numerous times we will be leaving on 31st October 2019 and he knows that if he doesn't deliver it will be the end of the Conservatives. The Brexit Party are ready and waiting in the wings for a general election and will hoover up all the disgruntled Tory and Labour leave voters.

Presenting our new Prime Minister Mr Nigel Farage now wouldn't that be a turn up for the books. Lol ?

Of course MPs are supposed to serve their country mostly, but it seems to be commonly thought that they mostly serve themselves. I’m not sure I could disagree with that either.

And No Deal was not on the ballot paper. So nobody voted for No Deal.
Before the Referendum even the hard right Brexiteers, (Farage, Fox, Davies, Mogg etc) said we would have a good Deal. Well that hasn’t happened has it!

“Brexit will be easy, and have no downsides.
There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside
David Davis
10 October 2016”

“The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want
Michael Gove
9 April 2016”

“ Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards”
John Redwood
July 17 2016”

“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history”
Liam Fox
20 July 2017”

Lots of broken promises over the last few years. We can look forward to many more broken promises later this year. Why are Johnson and Hunt still trying to pretend it will be easy? Or even possible?

And why are Hunt and Johnson promising tax cuts and more public spending when they know very well that the UK will be much worse off if they are allowed to go ahead with brexit? Surely there cannot be many Conservative members that actually believe them, let alone anyone else?

mostlyharmless: Why are Johnson and Hunt still trying to pretend it will be easy? Or even possible?

Fear, I think. And fear is a very powerful emotion. It overrides sanity and reason.

Brexit was all supposed to be about pacifying the extreme anti-Europe factions in the Conservative Party.
At any cost to the country it seems.