Johnson’s Government

The Labour vote was down 12.4

It is so transparent they obviously think the voters are idiots.

Tory chairman James Cleverly, interviewed on LBC, just used the phrase "undemocratic backstop"

The presenter picked up on this and pointed out that BJ had voted for it.

I think the constant use of this and other catchphrases by every government minister is becoming a joke.

Dead cert. that there’s going to be a GE.

Whitewavemark2, It depends how disgruntled the Tory backbenchers are. Johnson certainly won't be able to rely on solid support from his own party, so is going to have to resort to some horse-trading.

If you add the tory & BP vote it looks less like a Remain vote than a 'the country is still split about 50/50 vote.' Though a positive win for a Remain party in a constituency that voted Leave 3 years ago is cheering.

To be honest, the Tory didn't do that badly, considering the circumstances in which he was ousted. He must have some very loyal local supporters.

Nevertheless, job done for the LibDems.

Majority of 1.

Arguably an impossible task to govern.

I don't think the tories will want a GE either. Though why on earth they allowed Davis to run again is a mystery to me. It wasn't exactly a safe tory seat. With such a very tiny parliamentary majority you'd've thought they'd've tried a bit harder...

The Lib. win represents a severe setback for Johnson.

The usual new prime minister blip of popularity has gone already, despite him rushing around the length and breadth of the U.K.

This vote says loudly that No Deal is not an option, and could arguably be a vote for remain. The Lib Dem’s pushed the remain vote very strongly indeed.

The remain vote must now begin to work together for the upcoming election.

Well Labour MPs worried about losing their seat won't want a general election now surely after the abysmal results last night, especially if they are in leave supporting seats.

Back to the thread topic- Johnsons majority now down to 1. Wonder when the next GE will need?

No body is rubbishing others for what they have- we are maybe pointing out the way some people ignore the realities of their belief in Brexit, how easy and beneficial all the upheaval is going to be. People who don't care about the collapse in the £ and it’s effect on the country’s economy because they can just “cut back” on nights out. Some people can’t “cut back”, and the economy isn’t the same as a household budget- our public services are cut back to the bone already.

None of us know the financial background of posters on GN and I’m shocked that people rubbish others on the basis some have more than them. There are always going to be folks who have more than others whether a capitalist society or socialist one.

I believe that people who can work hard should take care of themselves and their loved ones and giving back where they can. This leaves more in the pot for those unable to do so.

I won’t apologise for being blessed with good health and work ethic. I don’t have a great brain but I’ve always been good with money (a few O levels - not clever enough for uni) and I do have a kind heart - as do most people I come across.

I’m not smug or selfish about what I have and my friends and family would tell you that - they know that they are welcome to stay (free) at our lovely little home in Wales or here in our humble casa in Spain and some do.

You've lost more than I've ever had . Of course health is the most important thing but brexit is actually making some people ill.

Yes Laiback I’d be upset (who wouldn’t?) but financial loss is nothing like as devastating as health loss.

With financial loss, life goes on.

And before you think I’m being flippant, we lost £100,000 during the recession. (Long story). But we survived.

Nobody has ever given us any money and we are both late 60’s. So the loss was of our own hard earned income.

We cried. We were devastated.

But life goes on and we came to realise that, at our time of life, almost everyone gets a clip around the ear. Ours was financial. Others we know have suffered in different ways, far worse.

Me neither Maizie. Just come on to the board and read through to catch up. I wonder where exactly the envy/jealousy is.

I also wonder why so many people lack imagination. What if you already can't afford cigarettes and nights out just so you can try and keep food on the table and a roof over your head. We have been a capitalist society for just over 200 years [Sankalp Shangari] and the comments we see so often on here make me wonder just how long it can go on.

Whether you see it as right or wrong Pants and Gravy it is undoubtedly disruptive to society to concentrate such huge amounts of wealth in the hands of a few. Free markets and rich people are not bad in themselves but their greed and inhumanity are.

Goodness, you lot have very vivid imaginations. I've been following this thread and I can't see any jealousy or envy on it.

Jealousy seems to creep into all political threads???

Of course we can crystaltipps - so what do you cut back on when things get tight?

I gave up cigarettes and nights out to afford my luxury - my place in Spain.

Day6
I always view jealousy as a very sad emotion. I genuinely feel sorry for people who 'suffer' with it.
This emotion is also very bad for their health as it causes the stress hormone Cortisol to rise.

Pantglas1
Have you thought about requesting a name change?
I see the nasty stakes have ramped up in reference to your name.

Well anyone can buy less sangria can’t they? Let them eat brioche and all that.

I think juvenile is a complement?

You’re right Alexa which is why I explained in my later post that I have limited time to devote to newspapers per se.

I do delve into internet news, you tube etc and more importantly I ask friends/family who have different views to explain anything I’m not sure about.

All the above give me a balanced view on most subjects.....

"I read Guardian For the left wing bias and the Mail for the right wing bias and generally find the middle road. And then I do the serious thought - how about you?"

It's not that simple. It's better to look see which newspaper proprietor stands to gain from his bias.