Johnson’s Government

64% of 18 to 25 year olds voted.

What is the evidence that young people weren't bothered and were too busy with Glastonbury?

The old are dying off though.

No one is “winning”, everyone is loosing (apart from the wealthy elite).

Well the bored and the cheesed off probably won’t vote anyway. As in the referendum. Glastonbury was on. The young didn’t bother much.

The others? Well I’d say maybe listen to The manifestos and see if they chime.

But going off previous form, maybe not.....

Surely there must be 10's of thousands or 100's of decent folk who are not strident Remainers/Leavers. People going about their daily lives trying to do the right thing. The confused, the bored and the downright cheesed off. Who represents them?

economic catastrophe, dismissal of expert opinion, deselection of those who do not vote Brexit, praise for nasty scheming people like Farage

Really?

Economic catastrophe?
No one has a crystal ball Gill57 and deals are there to be done.

Dismissal of expert opinion?
Remainers enjoy believing different experts to Leavers. There are, remember, clever people on both sides of the Brexit issue!

Deselection of some MP’s?
Hell yes! All those who triggered A50 then stood on their party manifestos to deliver it ... then did their darnedest to thwart it!

Nasty, scheming Farage?
Oh you mean the man who has, from day 1 remained true to his colours and is giving the referendum ‘winners’ (sorry I don’t like that term much but I can’t think of a better way to illustrate what I mean) exactly what they voted for in 2016.

To. Leave. The. EU.

dragonfly46 read utmstongran latest post and weep. There is no consideration or acknowledgement of remain voters just cleansing of those who do not think her way. This was not what anyone voted for. No deal Brexit, economic catastrophe, dismissal of expert opinion,deselection of those who do not vote Brexit,praise for nasty scheming people like Farage who most sensible people can see through. Was this what any of you voted for when you ticked the box with high hopes of restoring sovereignty and taking back control? Wasn't on my ballot paper.

I think if we come out without a deal it will become apparent that the Brexiteers did not know what they voted for and what is more they do not care even if it means bringing the country down.
I am very scared of the extreme right wing government they are advocating where all those who have still some semblance or reason are booted out. Surely democracy is about having right, left and middle representing us. It is not about kicking those who do not agree with you out.
If this does happen in the Brexit heartlands that is another step on the downward trail along with Farage and his friend Donald Trump.

Brexit nominees will sweep the board MaizieD in the Brexit heartlands - enough now of MP’s telling their constituents ‘it’s for your own good - I know better’. Leave voters have had 3 long years of being talked down to as if we are stupid/didn’t know what we voted for/didn’t vote to be poorer etc.

But the 'Leave voters' have to be a majority in the constituency, Ug. There is absolutely no guarantee that they will be. NOr, come a GE, that they will necessarily see Brexit as a priority. There are other rather important things to be considered in a GE.

The 'pile of manure' was a reference to members of a national parliament (not ours), crystaltipps

Well Gill57 I think your comment to gleeful hope of democratically elected remain supporting mp's losing their seats is exactly what their Leave voting constituents are praying for regards the shenanigans of their Remain MP’s!

Many like Soubry, Yvette Cooper, Dominic Grieve will likely be deselected

the reality is their constituents now won’t vote for them

Ug If they are deselected it will be by a few hundred (or possibly less) local tory party members (Not really sure if Yvette Cooper is in danger of deselection; has Labour been infiltrated by Aaron Banks' entryists? I've only seen him encouraging Brexiters to join the tory pary)

Given that their constituency electorate will outnumber by a matter of thousands the activists who try to deselect them there could be a fair chance that they could still retain their seats if they stood as Independents or for another party. Or, that the new tory candidate doesn't manage to win the seat. Many constituents might be quite annoyed at having their MP replaced. I don't know why you imagine that a Brexit nominee will automatically win.

“Draining the swamp” refers to people, “pile of manure “ to the Brexcrement idea and the way it’s been heading NOT to people - there’s the difference.

'Draining the Swamp' has a strange similarity to this:

We do not want to join this pile of manure. We are coming to shovel it out.

I'm sure someone will look it up...

Urmonstongran you are frightening in your wholesale adoption of the right wing trash you read. From 'draining the swamp" to gleeful hope of democratically elected remain supporting mp's losing their seats and of course yesterday's crass dismissal of anyone who has chosen to live overseas and dares to have an opinion contrary t yours. I once wondered how Brexit had happened, when I read the propaganda and think speak you trot out I understand how it happened. Also,tinkling laugh type comments saying you were only joking just don't cut it.

I don’t think us Brexiteers are fearful Greta
Try joyful (at last).
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The main priority must be to save the country from a disastrous no-deal brexit. A government of national unity could revoke Article 50, then consider how best to work together for a better future.

A second referendum should not be ruled out but should only happen when we can protect our democracy from foreign interference and the undue influence of vested interests.

If there was another vote to leave it should be incumbent on those politicians leading the leave campaign to exactly define what a realistic brexit would mean before Article 50 could be triggered again.

What has been proven over the last three years is that there has never been a majority for any single type of brexit and "cake and eat it brexit" was just a fantasy.

I believe what we are about to witness in the Conservative Party will be similar to what has been witnessed in the Labour Party for the last four years.

In the above, we now see Tory members of Parliament stating they will immediately attempt to bring down Boris Johnson should he become Prime Minister and Party leader, simply because his views do not fit with their political views, or in that, any section within the party.

There has been a democratic Ballot within the membership of the Conservative Party in line with the current rules of the organisation. Therefore, the election of the new leader should be accepted by all in the party, as that is true democracy.

As stated, in nearly four years of the Corbyn leadership of the Labour Party we have seen the continuous undermining of that leadership by Blairites and others who have never accepted his overwhelming election by the party rank and file membership. I have continually condemned that action in the Labour Party, and I feel that all should equally condemn similar action inside the Conservative Party.

If neither Johnson not Corbyn can command enough of majority to form a government, the solution may be a coalition.

Perhaps some kind of compromise made up of proportionate executive members from opposing parties under a neutral "chair"?? I can't imagine any takers for THAT position.

dragonfly46:
But Urmston you are assuming that everyone wants Brexit.

Yes, dragonfly, and this has been the assumption all along. There should have been cross party/cross remain-leave talks and consultations right from the beginning particularly since the referendum result was almost 50/50. Instead we have had constant references to ”the will of the people” and ”democracy demands that we deliver Brexit”. In my opinion there is not even a sliver of democracy in this whole Brexit saga. I also think there is a lot of fear among Brexiteers right now and fear is never a good bedfellow.

Even if, as expected, Boris Johnson is elected leader of the Conservative party, it is by no means certain that he would automatically become PM.

When Theresa May goes to the palace to offer her resignation to the queen, HM will ask her who can command a majority in the HOC. It would only take a small number of Tory MPs to refuse to back BJ for it to be impossible for him to claim the support of the majority of the house.

This would very likely result in a general election, but there is another possible, albeit unlikely, scenario where someone else (not Jeremy Corbyn) can win cross party support and command a majority. If that happened TM would have to advise HM accordingly and that person (possibly Dominic Grieve or Yvette Cooper or, who knows, even the new Lib Dem leader) would be invited to form a government.

when they keep schtum at other times when similar or ' far worse ' terms/comments are made.

And which would those be UG?

Good grief.

Those who find the term " the swamp is draining itself ” is fascist/chilling/far right/disgusting are certainly being a tad disengenuous when they keep schtum at other times when similar or ' far worse ' terms/comments are made.

The fact is those Ministers who will refuse to serve in a Johnson Cabinet and have been vocal in their dislike of Johnson and also assume they will be removed in a Cabinet reshuffle, will obviously be making their Resignations prior to be given the boot. They are hardly going quietly, they are hardly going with dignity.

As for Alan Duncan resigning from his role as Foreign Minister / Minister of State for Europe and the Americas at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office, given the dangerous predicament this country is in with regards to Iran he has shown a degree of being self serving and maybe if Brexit and a dislike of Johnson is more important than doing his job maybe it is appropriate he has gone.