Johnson’s Government

FGS paddyann, the tanker was in OMANI waters when it was illegally boarded by Iranian forces and hijacked into Iranian waters! The straits of Hormuz is so narrow that you are always in someone else's waters, more like the English Channel, (English /French). than the river Thames which doesn't have a shared space with another country so isn't even remotely the same!! Don't let facts get in the way of your hatred of England though!!!!

Some of the rumours include Patel as Home Secretary, she who was dismissed for lying. (Cabinet of liars?) and for suggesting we starve Ireland into submission and Davis as chancellor - he who prepares for nothing and appears clueless over basic facts. Gove as NI Secretary, who hates the GFA.

I think I have never been so depressed over our future.

Our local MP - decent, hard-working on behalf of his constituents - plans to vote for this lying toad. How? Why? It is all beyond me. People know who he is and what he is like, yet they still vote for him - what is going on?

Furniture - it's a wonder he's capable of organising even that!

The article puts so much about Johnson in its place and tells us that worse may yet be to come. Thank you for posting the link Whitewave; sadly I would guess few will read it.

Anyone take the DM? Seen the headline about Johnsons hefty furniture bill for no 10?
Wonder if it’s true?

Article on Johnson’s character “Ham of Fate” NY times review.

t.co/Zc7WZZYYeu?amp=1

At least 6 high profile Tories have approached the LDs about a vote of no confidence and attempting to thwart Brexit.

Johnson’s majority is to small for this story to be ignored.

*Paddyann” the river Thames cannot be compared

But I do not think the ship was in Iranian waters. I read it was in Omani waters. The Straits of Hommuz are so narrow that all of them are the territorial waters of one country or the other.

It is a bit like the English Channel, all of it is territorial waters for France or Britain, but how often does either Britain or France board and check ships moving up and down that area of water?

Iran isn't using a show of stregth,the boats were off course ,they were entitled to board them and check them out..just as we would if Russian boats were sailing up the Thames ..but dont let facts get in the way of a Trumpesque story

Do not forget that most of EU law has now been incorporated into British law. Much of it is law that Britain would ve enacted anyway, but as the EU was already doing it, saw no reason to do the same thing twice.

Anyone else feel that Iran is using us as a show of strength because it knows we officially don't have the backing of the EU or America at the moment. We're just a tiny little island out on it's own that still thinks it's ruler of an empire. Still, when we become a vassal state of America we'll be ok...

Thanks MaizieD for your explanation and the link about so-called gold-plating, where - if I understand it correctly - a particular government over-enthusiastically complies with an EU request, leading citizens to think the difficulties are being caused by the EU.

It suits the Brexit movement to believe that we have been dominated by Brussels. When the truth comes out in history, future generations will wonder where our brains were when we crashed out of a stable alliance into the arms of Trump's mad instability.

Especially if we are led forth shudder by Boris the Kipperswickerfibber.

* Swick being a Scottish word for cheat.

Eyore heads off into the sunset.?

What does that mean please?

I’m going to order some Valium, I can’t cope with seeing Johnson’s ugly mug much more!

Boris doing the honourable thing ? Boris who tossed a coin to decide whether to be leave or remain. Boris who is responsible for that poor woman still in jail in Iran?? You're not serious, surely? Honourable my foot

Note he didn’t do the honourable thing and resign as a Cabinet Minister for his beliefs (like David Davis, Boris and Dominic Raab). Just saying.

I don’t think any of our politicians puts the country before either themselves or their party now, and perhaps they never did, we just thought they did.

Eyore heads off into the sunset.?

Yes well, hopefully Hammond is on his way to talk to the other remain supporting ministers to try and stop this car crash heading our way. Maybe he is a decent man putting country before party before career, the complete opposite to the charlatans like Farage and Johnson, so adored by so many.

There’s a photo in the Daily Mail on line of Philip Hammond loading his stuff into a waiting car. Bye bye.

It would be logical to keep JH on to deal with the Iran crisis since he is pretty familiar with what's happening.
Oh no, that wouldn't work, would it?
Someone doing the job who actually knows something about it? Can't have that!

Well, GGMk3 as you have so neatly illustrated, it has hardly begun. The crowning of Johnson is just the (expected) start of the horse trading and calling in of favours. It would be with most people, but I suspect Johnson is not loyal to friends or colleagues so there could be some disappointed people. It will be interesting to see what he gives to Gove for example, and Rees-Mogg. I feel quite ill at the prospect of this mish mash of careerists and chancers. I most certainly do not want a Corbyn government, but I secretly would like a GE, just for the sheer schadenfreude and joy of seeing some of these self serving individuals losing their seats, it would be worth it to wave goodbye to Gove, JRM, Leadsom, Patel, Duncan-Smith....well, a girl can dream eh?

Back to the government. The first two Johnson, if he wins, has to appoint are:

Chief Whip
Chancellor

The Chief Whip will advise on the rest of the reshuffle but the Chancellor is the key role.

At the same time, he has to think about what he does with J Hunt. This will depend on how Hunt has done in the vote of members. Balancing this is the calculation, based on Hunt's attacks on Boris, with how much he can be trusted.

I have seen Gavin Williamson suggested as Chief Whip. A master of revenge, it is also said he isn't keen to do the role again. Johnson needs someone who can talk to the hard-line Brexiteers but also the "former" Remainers.

He will have to take into account how slim his majority is - and that is before anyone else leaves the party. You would think this would incline him towards a broad cabinet but if he is going to attempt to move in a fast an furious way, perhaps not.

Now Amber Rudd has said she is willing to support no-deal she could be one of the women Johnson includes although unlikely to get one of the great offices of state. She may stay where she is.

Chancellor - Sajid Javid?
Chief Secretary to the Treasury Needs to be a Brexiteer if SJ is Chancellor.
Foreign Secretary - could Hunt keep this?
Defence - again he could choose to keep Penny Mordant there? It increases his quota of women.
Home Secretary - Andrea Leadsom's pay off?

He will also need to take account who has considered his "no-deal" threat a ploy and might resign if he attempts to carry it out.

Could it be a temporary cabinet and then an election? With such a small majority this could be seen as a necessity. With the Machiavellian Johnson, he could see it as his only way out.