Johnson’s Government

Obviously not because you don't have an answer to our 'just get on with it' questions....

Having been alerted by a GN friend to the (dubious) comments on here, have to inform you that I am by no means leaving the site, just the plethora of Brexit/Johnson
Moaning threads, so no new identity/name needed or wanted.
I shall just enjoy the more life enhancing topics.?

I think I have managed to post on the wrong thread so sorry for the non sequitur.

How would the UK be liable for any collapse in the Euro? We're not in the Eurozone.

Just what I was about to post, Jura, and if it was like that I think we would very soon see the return of The Troubles in N. Ireland.

leopards - spots

Ah well! I expect it's relatively easy to create a new ID on this site. ;-)

She's not difficult to identify, new name or no. This is her second identity to my knowledge; instantly recognisable...

Ah well! I expect it's relatively easy to create a new ID on this site. ;-)

Listening to my own MEP, the message from the EU is that they don't want the UK to leave, but their priority is to their own sovereign countries (as one would expect). They don't want to "get it over with" (sounds like a painful amputation) and are just getting on with business as usual and leaving the UK to make up to play its own games. That sounds like sensible adults leaving a wilful child to have a tantrum on its own by ignoring it and continuing their conversation.

trust me lemon, you wont last 24 hours, never mind a few months.

Toodle pip!

Good bye then lemon

GG13 .....it’s now reached the point where it’s not worth responding to posts on here hasn’t it?
I believe it’s all down to posters realising that leaving the EU is going to actually happen now.When May was PM, they could be forgiven for thinking it wasn’t at all likely, but all has changed since then.Also, both Parliament and the EU are growing weary of it and want to get it done, they know they have to.
It may be worth posting again in a few months ( or maybe not!)

day6 that is the point.

We know absolutely that they are not in hand. Why? Because a no deal hasn’t happened.

Look at what the report by the EU committee says. They recognise absolutely that nothing will have been negotiated should there be a no deal.

It may be that you feel your income level can sustain the increase in prices or drug shortage. I suspect my family will be able to do so, but my concern is for those families who already have to use food banks, who income level means that they are 50% below the breadline and the 2.5million children who are in severe poverty.

Oh it is fine to call on the British bull dog spirit and suffer a little hardship for maybe at best a year or two but almost certainly for at least a decade or 30 years as admitted by Mogg. If however you are already below the breadline this may well push some families into destitution.

I for one would NEVER vote for such an outcome.

Neither would I vote knowing that jobs are going to disappear to Europe.

Imo I think it cruel and inhumane to vote knowing what will happen to these folk.

The House of Commons has reported this going further and worrying about poor nutrition.

Nothing convinces me that it is the right to inflict such things on folk.

make comments like 'No Deal = no problem'

Which poster has written that?

I think we are all aware of the enormity of getting out of the EU. Look at the three years of useless wrangling we've had.

However, No Deal IS a bargaining chip with the EU which May stupidly gave away. Most political commentators agree she put the UK on the back foot from the beginning of negotiations.

We can post our views, but mostly we are regurgitating old arguments we have had since the referendum.

What I won't do is say it's all hopeless and become downbeat and defeated which is the Remainer stance.

Would you EVER join a club you couldn't leave?

No, me neither.

The Euro certainly looks a lot more stable than Sterling right now.

And the EU/UK border between Ireland and NI?

Britain becomes a “third country” by default in terms of the relationship with the EU

OK.

This will drop the U.K. out of every single arrangement, pact and treaty, from tariffs, freedom of movement, foodstuffs and data

OK, that's known.

Specific deals with aviation, police and security will cease

OK

Every single element will then have to be re-agreed

But we already know this.

And you don't think arrangements like this and for all the above are not in hand?

Remember, our leaving creates headaches for EU member states too, who will NOT want to put up barriers against Britain, our tourism euros, our security services, and international cooperation regarding crime and terrorism. I imagine it is not going to be terribly difficult to engage on the same, mutually agreeable terms, if they are desirable for all parties. Why would anyone want to upset arrangements of mutual benefit? Only the spiteful would play games 'because we have left the EU.'

We leave a trading bloc, not a continent and in terms of international cooperation only the idiotic/dense would pull up the drawbridge.

The U.K. will default to WTO terms

We already know them and use them, as does the EU. That eventuality, if it happens, will already have been investigated and explored with WTO bodies.

We won't suddenly start floundering and panicking on November 1st, much as you'd like us to, for having the temerity to leave.

Managers prepare for all eventualities. You can rest assured the UK has specialist negotiators already dealing with issues that will need to be re-arranged. Brussels and EU member states will be doing the same.

I don't see enmity between the UK and the EU. We just want to work differently, outside the restrictive (and expensive) EU. We no longer want to be liable for the collapse of the unstable Euro either, to the tune of £200 billion, or more.

We will manage the impact. We wanted out, and we know the work which has to be done.

they have not found a solution yet - and certainly not one that will respect the GFA, the EU or indeed, the USA. And they have only a few weeks to go- so we have to hope they are very very clever indeed.

lessismore ??

jura is not infact needed, as we have very very clever people sorting it out.

Day6- I have NO solution to offer. And that is probably because there isn't one.

But if people here or elsewhere make comments like 'No Deal = no problem' - then they will be challenged.

Of course they have solutions - they have borders, and checks, and border guards armed to the teeth, with dogs. They also have 24/7 road checks, on major and minor roads- and stops to check cars and lorries up to about 25 miles from border.

I live half a mile from one, and most of my neighbours are border guards, at the border, flying patrols, drônes, helicopters and in trains too. All lories have to stop, during working hours, and present documents to the Border Import/Export office, at official border points.

Can you see that happening on the Irish/NI border and region?

I would like anyone on GN, Leaver, waverer or Remain, or anything else for that mattter- to explain what solution they have for the UK non EU border in NI, and the EU Irish border

No Jura. I recognise it is a difficult issue.

However, we have elections and vote in politicians (who are paid a lot of money) to sort out problems and negotiate agreements. That's not a cop-out either.

I enjoy keeping abreast of political issues but to be honest, there aren't enough hours in the day to read the millions of views I could easily dig up on line regarding the 'backstop' issue. (None of them definitive either.)

Asking posters for answers - solutions to deeply difficult political issues - does not further the conversation. You don't have the anser, do you? We have opinions, that's all, depending on OUR reading (I am not reading remainer doom and gloom, tbh) and if you have answers Jura, I take my hat off to you, and would like to hear them.

I also suggest you get in touch with Brussels and Number Ten. You are urgently needed.

Jura2 the EU has many borders with non EU Countries, they have found solutions, I can only hope the experts will be able to sort it out.

Day 6, I think you may be a little overinvested in this conversation. Retire to your day bed with your trusty copy of Persuasion and a tincture.

flying very very low now

Some of us do read all the replies, wherever they come from and try and respond to the best of our ability, with a bit, sometimes a lot, of research.

If people reply in a way that indicates they do not take previous posts into account- or make sweeping statements which they are not prepared to explain- than no-one is tlking about the ability to read ...

I would like anyone on GN, Leaver, waverer or Remain, or anything else for that mattter- to explain what solution they have for the UK non EU border in NI, and the EU Irish border. So far, there has been no answer- and just shouting 'No Deal = no problem with border' just won't do.