Westminster peaodophile ring, Nick, guilty of perverting course of justice and fraud

OMG! Did we have a thread on here?

Many.

And of course in addition to what you’ve said POGS it’s the damage such behaviour does to genuine victims of abuse who might be more scared of coming forward or be treated less seriously. It’s a lose lose situation all round even though ‘justice’ has been done. Impossible to put the genie back in the bottle

And nobody could see through this ruddy horror ? Shame on the lot of them !!

The first thing that should happen is that Bernard Hogan Howe should be stripped of his knighthood for services to the police. As the one in charge of the whole of the Met Police his head should be the first to roll. I've had indirect dealings with this individual and he's definitely not one to be admired.

Liam Allen suffered at the hands of duff prosecutors----unforgiveable.

The Liam Allen case was of a very different order. The two cannot be compared.

Who remembers the demands on this forum that Lord Janner who had dementia faced a trial of the facts ?

Once again the wood obscures the trees. So many high ranking police officers trying to avoid another Saville fiasco and completely being taken in by this fantasist. Beech was very plausible but to publish the names of such well known men before there was any evidence was unforgivable. As always hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I'm sure I didn't think that Ab. (phew!)

And of course let us not forget that the Met Police were ably assisted by the media, who themselves created a witch hunt like no other, as they always do !

Gonegirl it really was distressing.

Justice has not been done and cannot be done, Leon Brittan was very ill with cancer so died with the accusations filling the media.

Tom Watson said of Leon Brittan he was :-

"as close to evil as any human could get".

In has always been my opinion what is ' as close to evil ' is a person or people who are happy to totally destroy the lives of others without any factual evidence, using others to do their dirty work and hiding behind a shield that means they cannot be taken to court for the lies they spread.

When Labour Deputy Leader Tom Watson said " It was not my role to judge whether victims’ stories were true" is that not exactly what he was doing?

Sadly no doubt there will be no repercussions for those who initiated and wallowed in this sordid affair and it will still only be left for those alive such as Lady Brittan, Harvey Proctor et al to continue to feel the destruction caused to them and their families. Beyond annoying and unfair.

I hope further action will be taken now as against certain players in this debacle to bring them to account for what they have said.

I fully agree POGS and I wonder how Tom Watson feels now?
The real villains of this debacle though,( apart from the criminal fantasist who caused it all) are the police in charge of the investigation.I don’t say things lightly about the police, but in this case they certainly got it wrong in every possible way.

I doubt it POGS. It doesn’t work like that - who was ever brought to account the Guildford 4 or the Birmingham 6 or the Bridgewater 4 or Stefan Kiszko among many miscarriages of justice that do not reflect well on our police, judiciary, prosecutors. Innocent lives and families ruined and no one brought to book.

The police will get away with this as with all miscarriages of
justice.

You're telling me Annie.

The Met are rotten.

I agree with every word on this thread, I remember when the allegations were first made, I found it difficult to believe they were true. If I, a very ordinary sixty something lady, found it difficult to believe, and instinctively felt that there was something fishy about it all, why not the police? Why just swallow it all hook, line, and sinker? I know the police must do their job, but it was all in the public arena and there clearly wasn’t any evidence. Disgraceful is a polite way of saying how I feel about it all.

Yes, it seems to have been a very bad week for Tom Watson. First, we had his demand the Jennie Formby send him personally documents from her office relating to her handling of antisemitism, at a time when she is undergoing chemotherapy for breast cancer.

Now we have his ill-judged comments on the then alleged paedophile ring in Westminster and other government bodies, which has turned out to be totally untrue.

I believe Watson's position as Deputy Leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party is to be discussed by the National Executive Committee due to his performance in that position of late, so perhaps these two most recent self-made incidents will ensure he is "kicked out" of that role.
Perhaps then his Constituency Party will deselect him as their MP by way of the new Trigger Ballets.

The only thing Tom Watson has been interested in recent years has been Tom Watson, and in that, it has been "which ever way the wind is blowing there stands Watson."

It seems basic investigations were not undertaken:
he claimed he had broken bones, several untreated: an x-ray showed no damaged bones.

He claimed he was taken out of school on a weekly basis: his school attendance records for the time shows a 100% attendance record (he even won a prize).

claimed he had a fear of water because of the abuse: family photos show him enjoying snorkling and even owned an underwater camera,

claimed he was abused in a double bed on Ted Heath's yacht: it was a racing yacht and as such only had hammocks.

Police must investigate any claims of abuse but just a couple of simple enquiries would have shown him for the liar he was. How many genuine victims of abuse will now hesitate to come forward for fear of not being believed.

Beckett, agree with your post. Basic checks weren't undertaken that would have red flagged this man as a potential fantasist. When I first heard his claims, I didn't believe them. The rumours about abusers in high places (including many of the men he alleged abused him) had been circulating for years. It was time they were investigated and either proved or rejected.
I found the allegations fantastical. I was surprised that senior police officers hadn't previously been aware of these kind of fantastical allegations, often from people with personality disorders.
This mess will set back child protection investigations and hurt genuine victims.

To add, one issue may be the way the police is a blue light organisation. Other agencies are more likely to search records, phone GP's, schools etc and consult with specialist psychiatrists or psychologists. Surely if those things had happened, this investigation would have been delayed, then stopped before it took on a life of its own.

Writing in the DM , Richard Littlejohn has dubbed Tom Watson “Nonce Finder General” .