Westminster peaodophile ring, Nick, guilty of perverting course of justice and fraud

I have just, with jaw on the floor, read detailed background about him. Years of service as a school governor, the buying of the Swedish cabin and plans to open a B and B business.. So many people over the years completely taken in by him - to me ( a complete lay person in such matters) it does make him sound like a fantasist - he was good at getting other people to believe in him because he actually believed it all himself.

Iam64, so we both were extremely sceptical when we heard these claims. What surprises me is that apparently no proper investigation was taken before all this was in the public arena, it is truly disgraceful that these men’s reputations were allowed to be shattered in this way with not only no proof, but also it appears, no investigative work done at all. It reminds me of the Cliff Richards case.

Whilst child abuse allegations always need to be investigated properly, it it simply abhorrent to me that innocent people can have their reputations shattered in this way.

Thank goodness that Northumbria police did their job properly .

Never believed it. Amazed how he was given so much credence. The story he told of his friend from school had died could so easily have been investigated. Or investigated properly. The school said that nobody of this boy's name had been in the school. But why did they not look for this child's death certificate? Public records. Anyone can apply for anyone's. So why, if they looked and found nothing, did they not stop it there? Or if they didn't look, why on earth not? So sad for all these people, so many elderly. Dreadful, the whole thing was just appalling. And as for these main police, all resigning the day before the trial. Well of course. They will keep their pensions and all's well for them.

Does anyone else remember the days when police didn’t release the names of suspects until they were charged? They used to give out the information,

‘A man is helping police with their enquiries.’

It is high time the police went back to this in my opinion, suspect’s names should not be released to the public until they’re charged, and whilst dead people can’t be charged, their names should not be released without proper investigations.

Inquiries

It should be inquiries, I always feel confused about which it should be, but on this occasion it should read,

‘A man is helping police with their inquiries.’

Whilst we need to be concerned that victims of abuse will not come forward we need to think of the innocent accused, they and their families are victims too.

No one would disagree with that annie I’m sure. It’s quite possible to do both - it’s not ( or shouldn’t be) a competition.

I agree maddy that as a rule names should not be released until suspects have been charged unless it is necessary ( a judge could decide this).

Protecting both is not a competition

Of course it’s not annie - who would believe it were?

I now tend to think that in cases like this, the accuser should be name from the outset. After all the accused is named and as we have seen here, those who are totally innocent end up with their lives ruined.

That would certainly help to weed out a lot of those vile individuals who make up these lies.

I believe Cliff Richard is campaigning for this.

Yes ' certain ' Police Officers should be held accountable and questions asked now the facts and truth are known. I am not of the opinion and most certainly not saying they were wrong to initiate investigations but the behaviour and professional standard was lacking by certain officers at times.

I think facts should be established as to why ' certain ' Police Officers followed the thoughts of those who were behind / promoting the fantasies and lies of Carl Beech as I feel there was possibly a game at foot and good policing came second. More than happy to be proven wrong but the interview outside Ted Heaths home, Arundells, by Mike Veale, Wiltshire Police’s chief constable and his accusations never sat right with me as one example.

It is a fact however Labour Deputy Leader Tom Watson and the now defunct website ' EXARO ' were at the forefront of promoting the fantasies and lies of Carl Beech. I said from the start, even on Gransnet threads, I want to know ' if ' or what extent their involvement has coloured the Police investigation ' Operation Midland ' for one example.

I remember distinctly the posts that followed the kangaroo court phenomena in trusting what Tom Watson said and applauded his use of Parliamentary Privilege and personal comments.

Likewise those in the media whether it be on TV, radio, papers or social media who believed and tried to make the accusations stick, give credence to the fantasies and lies should apologise too.

What will of course happen is denial/not me guv/pretence they never spoke a nasty word. They forget the articles they wrote, the interviews they did, their speeches in Parliament, what they wrote on social media which are probably still there to show how disengenuous they are.

Jennifer I couldn’t agree less - do you honestly think a 19 year old girl, for example, having suffered years of sexual abuse and finally daring to go to the police should be named? Do you think those grown men who came forward about the football coach should have been named from the onset? The real problem is naming the accused before charging ( which the police aren’t supposed to do anyway), poor quality investigation, problems with disclosure and poor CPS decision making. Cliff Richards problems were caused entirely by the police and the BBC as tge damages he’s been awarded demonstrate. Your suggestion would weed out a lot of victims and enable a lot of abusers to carry on unpunished ( as the majority do anyway).

I agree with suziewoozie naming accusers would deter many from coming forward. I do think those accused should not be named until charged

Well said POGS,

Thank you Anniebach

It also says a lot to me when the facts are known and proven to be a load of lies, propaganda and fantasy how little condemnation is shown as opposed to the condemnation which surfaced when the story was believed.

Shameful.

I did say in cases like this. I didn’t believe for one moment that he was telling the truth and am amazed as everyone that the Met didn’t discover immediately what type of character they were dealing with. Obviously it is a different situation with a young person. Thank goodness the Northumbrian police were on the ball

But Jennifer what is a ‘case like this’? It’s only through investigation that the facts should be established. The issue with this case appears to be that there was an over eager propensity to believe him in the context of post-Savile and a totally inadequate ( to say the least) investigation. And the men abused the football coach were not young when they eventually came forward. I think your argument for naming the accusers just does not make sense.

I’ve heard and read a lot of ( rightful) condemnation over the last 24 hours. What the issue is that almost certainly no one will be held accountable for the many failings.

That accused's body language spoke volumes to me so why didn't the police twig ? I'd have had no hesitation in blaming the fantasist as they all seem to have the same air about them.

I had experience of one the other week yet I didn't know him from Adam but knew that all wasn't as it should be and I was proved right.The case goes on. They're evil !

Carl Beech has been jailed for 18 years.

His lies and fantasies were found out but what if they had not?

The shocking way Labour Deputy Leader Tom Watson, EXARO, some media and commentators on and off Social Media, ' some' police officers chose to believe this fantasist was quite shocking to witness.

The abuse and pure and simple bile his victims suffered was compounded by the fact the public engaged in the personal trashing of their characters too, usually for political point scoring.

I hope now the likes of Harvey Proctor have the strength at such an age to challenge those who initiated, possibly encouraged Carl Beech, to make his lies seem credible and it should start with the ease of Parliamentarians to hide behind Parliamentary Privilege.

I hope too those who did not die whilst this shameful pursuit carried on sue for defamation of character and of their loved ones. The main players engaging in the initial ' Guilty until proven Innocent' who categorically stated they were guilty and had hard evidence should not get away with it.

Carl Beech, 51, from Gloucester, was sentenced for 12 counts of perverting the course of justice, one of fraud, and for several child sexual offences.
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Several Sex Offences.

Couldn't make it up.

Reported on the new today

Of all accusations of child abuse , 1/3 are found guilty,

2/3 of cases dropped or not guilty verdict